The Carrier deal stinks

The deal cut with Carrier Air Conditioning in Indianapolis reeks of an in-your-face transparent political trick. Trump is the President-elect, not the President, and, as such, he has absolutely no power whatsoever to make a deal. Despite all the hoopla during his victory lap, Trump did exactly that – nothing. Assuming, of course, one does not count making a highly publicized phone call a major achievement.

Carrier made this deal to save 1100 jobs because they are going to receive $7 million dollars over ten years or $700,000 a year from the state of Indiana. Guess who the governor of Indiana is? Mike Pence who just happens to be Trump’s Vice-President-elect. That is no coincidence. Guess who negotiated the deal. Pence, because, as stated earlier, Trump has virtually no power at all. Guess who is going to have to manage that $7 million in future budgets. The future governor of Indiana, that’s who. Pence is going on his merry way. He is going to be the country’s veep. It won’t be his responsibility to budget the deal he made for obvious political reasons. Citizens of Indiana, who, by the way, voted for Trump, will be seeing a slash of some future benefits to fund the money going to Carrier. It is sort of a be careful what you wish for scenario.

Months ago Carrier declared that it was moving jobs to Mexico. Reminding everyone that all along Pence has been the governor, critics are asking why wasn’t this done earlier? Why did Pence leave 1100 workers in limbo? If the reader doesn’t know the answer to that one, the reader obviously doesn’t know much about politics.

Although Trump is powerless, he can threaten, and that is what he did. He threatened to pull $5 billion to $6 billion in federal contracts from Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies. Mr. Trump and his team were well aware that the amount United Technologies stood to lose in those contracts dwarfed the estimated $65 million Carrier sought to save by moving to Monterrey from Indiana. This caused Senator Bernie Sanders to say, “He has signaled to every corporation in America that they can threaten to offshore jobs in exchange for business-friendly tax benefits and incentives.”

Once again Trump lied to his followers. Carrier’s receipt of $700,000 a year in incentives from the state of Indiana was just the kind of corporate giveaways Mr. Trump knocked on the campaign trail.

There is widespread publicity on the fact that Pence, not Trump, negotiated a deal to save 1100 jobs. That is a cruel joke to others. The deal means Carrier will still send an estimated 1,300 jobs to Mexico.

The Carrier deal is a cheap political trick. Is Trump setting a pattern for his administration? Let’s all hope not. Similar to his infantile tweeting, let’s hope he will learn to act professionally as President, not a transparent hustler.

 

The Carrier "deal" is smoke/mirrors. People should not buy it.

 

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I bet there are a thousand people who think it's a great deal.

 

What would cost Indiana more, a tax incentive or carrier going to Mexico?

 

What does it matter the tactic Trump uses to save or create jobs so long as he does not break any law in the process?

 

The real hero is Pence since he us still the governor of Indiana and he authoruzed the $700,00 payment and he us getting the State of Indiana to give Carrier a $7,000,000 tax break. The cost us $9,625 per job saved, there were 800 jobs saved.

 

The truth us that 800 jobs not going to Mexico but 1,300 Carrier jobs are going to Mexico.

Who will save the other 800 Carrier jobs?

 

You forgot the part where they're going to invest millions in the their factories here.

Nice job, Trump!

 

I know right? That is a bargain. Not only will we not have to pay for welfare but they will produce products that have tangible returns, earn a wage and reinvest it into the economy. Carrier is investing millions in their plants here.


Great deal!

 

Not only do people without jobs not pay income tax, good paying jobs that pay good tax I might add, but they also suck off the government in unemployment.

Seriously, the fed and Indiana were going to lose either way. At least this way there are jobs.


Taxing pure business is dumb as (*)(*)(*)(*) anyways. I voted for trump because he was going to cut tax. Shareholders already pay tax on earnings which is good. No need to bite the hand that feeds you.

 

It matters because people are still smarting from Hillary's loss.

 

Hyperlibs are so naive and ignorant if they don't realize that states, counties, and individual cities and towns don't "sweeten deals" with companies of many different kinds to get them to come to their locations and/or keep operations in place. This is nothing new... it's been done thousands of times over many decades since the Great Depression of the 1930's. But, you've got to know how to negotiate for the desired result, and you've got to know what you're doing! Those criteria leave about 98% of Democrat "power-brokers" drooling on themselves and staring vacantly into space....

But it's so hypocritical and "sour grapes" now that radical socialist Democrats can't find one good thing to say about what Trump and Pence have done. Hell, during the campaign, on June 1st, when our wonderous, present, President Jive-ass was campaigning so hard for Hilarity Clinton, he stood right up on a stage and mocked and made fun of Trump, saying that it would be impossible to keep Carrier from shutting down their corporate operations in Indiana and moving the whole thing to Mexico. Obama kept on and on, laughing at what he claimed was Trump's nonexistent "magic wand".

Well, Obama, witness what real leadership and competence is really like and what it can do! Too bad YOU never had any of it, except in the delusional minds of your hyperlib, sycophant asskissers.

Behold -- click on this link and despair when you remember that THIS is what we elected and RE-ELECTED to the presidency of our country... http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/12...-need-magic-wand-keep-carrier-jobs-usa-418796

 

Well, I agree this much with Sandy: the Trump/Pence team has already done more to prevent jobs from leaving the U.S. than seven and a half years of the ever "presidential" Obama/Biden team. (Apparently inactivity is very presidential; who knew?). And yes, Trump/Pence are still weeks away from taking office. Perhaps Trump and Pence have more "political tricks" up their sleeves; I hope so. Let the schooling begin...

 

The OP, Bernie, and all the naysayers need to look all the people that still have a job because of Trump, right in the eye and try to convince them it is a bad deal.

 

Who is paying that $7 million? Not Washington, not the state of Indiana, the people living in Indiana will be paying that debt. What makes Carrier so special? How many other companies will be getting this offer if they threaten to leave the U.S.? Or is this simply a political stunt? Is it a one-time offer easily manipulated by the current governor while the responsibility for the debt will fall to the future governor?

The Carrier deal is a cheap political trick, and the concern is will that deal set a precedent for the Trump administration.

 

Ha! Liberals are jealous because Trump saved more jobs before he became president than that loser Obama did in 8 years. Will liberal whining ever cease?

 

If they saved some jobs, the families of those whose jobs were saved will appreciate it even if you don't

 

Hey, I happen to like trumps aggressive posture to save jobs
And I wish obama had been so active in this way

But, if we are being honest, there is another side of the story
The redoubtable Sarah plain called this deal "crony capitalism "
And it seems to me that the conservative economic ideology is that governments should keep their filthy hands off business decisions... and not put their thumb on the scale of market decisions

Of course trump is not a pure conservative... and that is not just my opinion, a large number of orthodox conservatives have said the same thing. I only make the point since this provides a real world example of how the de facto conservative leader has himself rejected conservative ideas in order to achieve a national good by tampering with the free market

 

Actually, it is 1069 jobs, but my question is why should the citizens of Indiana have to pay Carrier anything? What about the struggling workers of other manufacturing plants in Indiana who have to pay for Carrier's largesse? Will Pense come to their aid? What about the workers of other plants in the U.S. Will Trump come to them with financial aid? Is there a pattern here?

 

I'm happy for those workers and their families. That was quite a Christmas present Pense gave them. The concern here is the possible precedent. This could get very expensive for the American taxpayers.

 

I hope if I am ever layed off, Trump offers them 7 million to keep me employed

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Obama gets credit, he is still president

 

Why would Obama get credit? He did nothing for once, normally he gets involved and (*)(*)(*)(*)s everything up. Too bad Obama didn't do more nothing in his dismal corrupt years in office. We see the direction Trump is moving, and that's back towards putting Americans and America first, no wonder liberals hate Trump so much...

 

All that is well and good, but is a precedent being set here or is this a political stunt? If it is the former, that could get real expensive for the tax payer. If it is the latter, that does not speak well for our President to be.

 

"Seriously, the fed and Indiana were going to lose either way. At least this way there are jobs." Have to admit, you have a point.

 

if Obama gets credit for the bad, then he gets credit for the good too.... I was being sarcastic