The Carrier deal stinks

Over all, alternative energy in the US is increasing.

The catch is that China has about 60% of the world market for solar and wind right now, and this energy segment is of significant importance. Having our government invest in R&D in various ways in new technology is one of the key ways we get new technology growing.

Total investment in clean energy in the US is at about the $45B level right now.

So, for a view of where we are:
http://energy.gov/eere/articles/4-charts-show-renewable-energy-rise-america

 

No, a structural issue would involve policy.

And, we are not seeing a policy move. We're seeing move toward crony capitalism.

Will there BE a structural move? We've seen no proposals on that from Trump.

No, Dems absolutely did not give up on jobs. That's just plain willful ignorance.

 

Sure they did. What was their answer to the problem? To tax corporations more.

 

The strange thing is that for more than 100 years the U.S. government was run solely on the tariffs gleaned from import and export of goods. It took president Woodrow Wilson and Southern Democrats to created and impose personal income taxes on all American citizens. So one must ask as to whether or not a 35% import tax is reasonable to any American company that would move their business offshore? At the same time the other question is whether or not import taxes with competing countries should be on a par with their taxation of American goods exported to them?

Revenue Act of 1913
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1913
The United States Revenue Act of 1913 also known ... It was signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson on ... Revenue Act of 1913 Normal income tax and

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You can still read Clinton's policy.

So, you don't have to take it from me.

I've stated it over and over again.

 

During the campaign many said that Trump was short on patience and vindictive. He is showing that now with Carrier and others. The fact that he may have the same issues with Roxnord combined with his (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing now about Boeing illustrates he has a growing problem. What about other troubled industries throughout the country? Is he going to make deals with them? He threatened Carrier's parent company with loss of government contracts. He is threatening other companies with a 35% tariff. Does he plan to save American jobs through threats? Whatever happened to conservative principles?

He will soon be our President. He must learn very quickly to have patience and lose the vindictive streak and his damn Twitter. These were the reasons many thought he was unprepared to be our President. He is proving his critics right. He cannot make deals with every American company. He must calmly work with his advisors and members of his party in Congress to make reforms and stimulate the American economy.

He is a showman and it is showing. He must also lose his showmanship real quick or very soon he will become a laughing stock. He is already starting to receive criticism from those closest to him. That will only grow if he doesn't change and quick.

I want this man to succeed. I want him to save American jobs, create millions of jobs during his tenure. I want him to be so successful that he remains our President until 2020. That won't happen unless he changes. The days that we cannot take him seriously, cannot take him at his word, must end.

 

You are wrong. No one is angry that jobs were saved. Some are questioning how they were saved. Now it looks like he is going strike up deals with Roxnord and Boeing. Is that the new panacea? Is Trump going to become the Dealer-in-Chief? There are other pressing matters, immigration, health care, ISIS, Middle East violence, an aggressive China, an aggressive Russia, and hundreds of others. They, too, need his attention.

Saving jobs has to be done right. He must use his advisors and work with Congress to come up the legislation required for the task. Most of all, he needs to learn patience.

 

Extremely interesting issues. These are matters Trump and his cabinet and other advisors must deal with along with hundreds of others. There is no time to deal with individual companies. Trump should be working with his people right now to come up with the legislation needed to create and save jobs.

 

Complaining is complaining.

 

You're correct in that. Perhaps you should check the Federal register to see how favored nations get lower import tariffs that undercut manufacturing costs of US goods. For example Steel, TV's, air conditioners, construction equipment, etc. Then perhaps you should check the import tariffs of countries like China, Japan, India and South America for durable goods manufactured in America. You may get a good idea why America continues to lose manufacturing companies and those that remain get undercut by imports and onerous regulations.

 

A good precedence that other corporations which somehow survive keeping jobs at home could blackmail the federal state government just by declaring they want to do business ventures elsewhere aside the USA.
This promotes oligarchy and do have an act of not draining the swamp but draining the monetary reserve.

 

"You may get a good idea why America continues to lose manufacturing companies and those that remain get undercut by imports and onerous regulations." I am strongly in favor of reversing that trend. What I am saying is that Trump should get to it and not waste his time on individual industries. This is no time for him to micromanage. There are many other issues that need to be dealt with.

Drafting proposed legislation for tax reform, minimizing regulations on businesses, health care, and infrastructure funding combined with filling out his cabinet and an estimated 4,000 appointments while getting up speed on foreign issues to name just a few. He has no time to deal with individual companies.

 

Don't you think that before Trump can begin doing what you claim he should be doing, that first he should be installed and inaugurated on January 21, 2017 as President of the United States of America. As it is, Trump is busy putting together his administration and cabinet members and as I understand it you've complained about his choices too. Have you ever heard of the adage of First Things First?

 

Trump lied about the number of jobs saved. I kept hearing different numbers all week. Now the true story is coming out.

Trump visited a Carrier plant in Indiana last week, touting his role in a controversial deal in which the company will receive $7 million in taxpayer money to save some domestic jobs, even as Carrier announced plans to move even more jobs to Mexico. As part of his appearance, the president-elect referenced some relatively specific numbers.

“I will tell you that United Technologies and Carrier stepped it up,” Trump said, “and now they’re keeping – actually the number’s over 1,100 people, which is so great, which is so great.”

But that is not true. “Union workers got a letter at the plant saying Trump’s deal with Carrier will save only 730 factory jobs in Indianapolis, plus 70 salaried positions – 553 jobs in the plant’s fan coil lines are still moving to Monterrey, Mexico. All 700 workers at Carrier’s Huntington plant will also lose their jobs.”

“As for Trump’s “1,100” figure, the president-elect was apparently including 350 research and development jobs that, according to the local report, “were never going to move to Mexico in the first place. Those were jobs that Carrier said all along would stay in Indianapolis.”

“Hmm. So Trump is directing $7 million to a company that’s sending more jobs to Mexico than it’s keeping in the U.S.; he’s relying on the opposite policy he promised to pursue as a candidate; and he’s exaggerating the number of saved jobs.

“This is the president-elect’s big public-relations triumph?”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-claims-about-jobs-saved-carrier-come-question

 

INDIANAPOLIS -- The president of the steelworkers union said Donald Trump "lied his a-- off" when he boasted about how many jobs he was saving at Carrier's Indianapolis plant.

Chuck Jones, President of United Steelworkers 1999, told the Washington Post that they were optimistic about the deal President-elect struck with the company. That is until he learned that over 500 of his members were still going to be losing their jobs.

He had hoped that Trump would use his meeting on December 1 to explain where those numbers were coming from.

“But he got up there and, for whatever reason, lied his a-- off," Jones said .

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...-trump-lied-his-a-off-about-deal-to-save-jobs

 

This is about "Trump"... not your anti-Obama fantasies.

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Trump talks/believes as though HIS intervention in the markets is somehow perfectly okay.

Many a REAL Conservative would surely disagree.

 

I have and I have not. I have heard that adage, and I have not complained about his choices. Have you heard the adage, "give the guy a chance?"

We seem to be in agreement as to what Trump should be working on, not making deals with individual companies for a photo op.

 

Many conservatives and conservative publications have been critical. Conservative sources like Forbes and the Wall Street Journal have voiced their opposition. Sarah Palin was up for the Veteran's Affairs post when she referred to the deal as "crony capitalism." We have not heard anything about her since. I guess she won't the Veteran's Affairs secretary.

 

Not enough have been critical enough.

Trump is a 'disaster', poised to unfold.

 

isnt that what trump wants to do?

 

I would put that differently. That is what Trump should be doing. Right now he is traipsing around the country on his victory lap bragging about how he won the election. How un-presidential can you get? His egotistical self is showing through.

He is tweeting like some teenager whose mommy didn't give him enough attention. When is he going to start acting Presidential? Ever?

 

Well at least he's not playing golf, or taking an apology tour around Europe and the ME. Trump is thanking the people that elected him and he's making the choices for his cabinet, while starting to do something about our economy by making a deal through the state of Indiana to keep Carrier in the U.S. well before he takes the oath of office of POTUS. Sounds to me he's hitting the ground running.

 

You're actually understating the expense of the deal, it is only keeping 800 jobs in the US (more than 2000 are still going elsewhere) and they're actually being offered a $7,000,000 tax incentive.

 

The people whose jobs WERE saved see it differently. They're all that matters.

 

I can't quarrel with your statement. In the end I want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, but he has to stop doing stupid stuff.