The Case for Socialism

One could point to growth that results from a tax cut as a means to offset a cut in tax rate in relation to taxable income, but even if you are going to dismiss that argument/concept, it would then be a situation that added to the debt as opposed to someone else's tax rates increasing.

Are you aware of a corporate tax cut or one that you are calling "for the rich", where the lower class received an increase in their tax rate?

 

Lenin did say that socialism is a stepping stone to communism, but obviously it’s not. He said that because the modern welfare state hadn’t been invented and what he meant was that people would herald in the overthrow of capitalism and out of that would arise communism. In the recent UK elections, The Labour Party (Democrat) fielded an old Marxist. He was wiped out at the elections. Europe won’t vote communism because it has first-hand knowledge of what happens. Having socialism is not the same as communism.

 

That wasn't me. And it is irrelevant to the discussion.

IOW you're beaten. And you concede. You should since you have been completely unable to counter any of my explanations point-for-point. And what you're saying here now is that you admit what you've provided is an attempted con job. We're supposed to believe you have had ten years of university/college education and that you were some kind of teacher and regarding socialism that you "know better" because of your claims. A con job. You have had no substantive counter to anything I've asserted.

 

And you've shown you don't know what either is. Can you tell me what Marx's "lower communism" is?

 

On your way Kode, I judge people by what I read and I don't do baiting.

If ever we debate communism, which this post isn’t about, you can very easily google Marxist definitions and I’ll let you know whether they’re true, or if they’re someone else’s opinion. Those who bait and attack posters are generally the ones who have lost any argument they had. It’s a forum, it’s expected.

 

You have had no substantive argument against anything I've said. Everyone has opinions, most of which are incorrect.

 

You haven’t said anything, that’s the problem. All you’ve done is poster attacks and criticisms based on google and your opinions. I can spot you a mile off Kode, you stand out like a sore thumb. You’re here for the argument with me and others. Now go and write a short essay off the top of your head on socialism and I’ll have a look and see what your level of knowledge really is. If you actually know even a small amount I’ll be the first to acknowledge that, but it’s not going to happen and we both know it. Stick to forum level, it’s what your best at. Now, as I said before, be on your way.

 

Riiiiiiight. I haven't said anything, .... except in posts 39, 40, 42, 47, 48, 57, 77, 78, 86, 89, and 92, some of which were addressed to you.

You're behaving like some of the worst RW know-nothings who throw out rabid opinions and when challenged to answer something, they say "you haven't said anything". And when you repost it, they deflect, dodge, and change the subject hoping you won't notice.

LOL!!! You're the one who stands out like a sore thumb. It's clear you're a right winger who's trying hard to hide behind a pretense of being something else. But you blew your own cover.

LOL!!! You think I'll look for any value in a critique from YOU? LOL!! So far there isn't one thing you've said that you have substantiated so we might believe it.

You've told me to "be on my way" twice, yet you keep coming back to argue your empty stories. Let me make it easy for you: you have only wasted my time, so I'll end it by putting you on "ignore". Bye.

 

Historically, socialism has done wonders for a nation's obesity rates, so don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

 

Thank you. In case you forget you're now on ignore.

 

Obama didn’t bring the US socialism, he was a hard left cultural Marxist. He tinkered around the edges with Obamacare and gave his voters BLM and an Obama phone. Socialism isn't about the likes of Obama or freebies.

 

i love when a conservative apply s Darwin just as conservatives supported scopes in the monkey trial, conservatives are just so slow to appreciate anything

 

Here in libertarian central we laugh at a lot of things, including those who don't learn from Darwin.

 

tax cuts were pushed to create jobs, they end up allowing corporate stock buy backs in the casino based stock market, i believe much of the anger in the country is the result of 40 years of trickle down, which by the way was implement 100 years ago and called "carrot and stick" economics
thr right has pushed anti-socialsimm mainstream media since the 1800s

 

Did you want to take a shot at responding to what I actually said?

Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer when conversations stick to an actual topic where one person says something, and then the 2nd person responds to what the first person just said...

If you wanted to start a new topic, you did not need to quote my post in order to do so.

 

trickle down was the business mans response to calls for socialism, a rising tide was going to lift all boats, instead we have more wealth discrepancy

 

Sincerely... what does this have to do with anything that I said? I don't understand your thought process as to how this is relevant.

 

the title of the thread is "the case for socialism" and i have never had a "normal" thought process. for which i am grateful

 

Interesting correlation if true.

 

Worked for Hitler . . .

And if the value of the currency collapses . . .

Nor do you have to worry about making any choices about healthcare except to decide whether to stop that malignant baby in the head with an icepick while it's crowning.

Yep, rounding up and shooting all the people living in the tents is one way to solve the problem . . .

Communism is a form of socialism. Continuing down the road to socialism will always result in the tyranny of the masses and the horrors which result.

Many in the U.S. can read and our freedoms allow us to read more material.

Corporations are a socialist institution and tend to love going down the path of socialism. Private business owners are destroyed by socialism and corporations.

Bailouts are socialism. The Federal Reserve is the communist bank Marx wanted for every country.

Socialism always results in discarding people - the defining trait of socialism. If it hasn't gone as far as some socialist countries, it's because the socialism hasn't advanced far enough, yet. Socialism treats people as things.

Tell that to Bernie.

This is a massive social welfare program which cripples the capitalism supporting it. If the underlying capitalism is destroyed, the whole system will eventually fall.

Socialism is literally a man-eat-man philosophy. Those who support it, see all of economics as a zero-sum game. Someone can only get richer by making someone else poorer.

 

I'm not sure things will work quite this well under socialism but I can't resist posting this video: