By the way, this graph is misleading at best. The problem is that today's average temperature is already above 60F. That puts the black line way up there and past the blue box on the top right. Also, notice that Harris and Mann have 2019 labeled as "colder" and well below the 57F "normal" line. They are a whopping 3.5F or 2C wrong in their prediction. Not only was their prediction 2x as much wrong as the total amount of warming that has occurred since WWII, but they wrong in the complete opposite direction. In other words, they were really wrong. Let this be a lesson. Global cooling predictions from skeptics/deniers have a long and checkered history of being dead wrong.
My graph is made from real data and shows that the one you are using is inaccurate. What data is your graph taken from by the way?
Thank you. I enjoy history. Vaguely I remember the Huns and Mongols and peoples of the Asian plains/steppe were driven west due to a drought. The occurrences of history and climate are somewhat established. The illustration I uploaded matches history and climate events. The dates and amplitudes may be off. If you have the ability, I don't, could you over lay some similar history on your chart. When I tried in my mind, the amplitude of change seemed a matter of scale, but I really don't want to argue that. Just some history on your chart. 536 - 540AD, the year without a summer, etc . https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/science-chosen-absolute-worst-history-140000038.html might be a starting point. Please see 322 above as there are historical records of dramatic climate / weather events causing disruption of food resources and subsequent epidemics on a weakened population. Y'think?
Again, what scientific data is your chart based on? What study? The point of the scientific data I presented was not to overlay it with historical events, but to prove that the one you have is incorrect. Also, Cliff Harris, one of the so-called scientists behind your data claims to be a climatologist even though he really studied insurance law without an earned degree. He runs a website where he discusses his theories, and also is an advocate for the chem trail conspiracy theory. He also believes that the bible is loaded with clues on predicting the weather. Randy Mann, the next guy listed is a meteorologist and worked as a weather man for local tv stations in the Spokane area. None of these two jokers have the qualifications or data to chart global climate data for the past 4,000 years and not surprisingly, their data is completely contradicted by multiple peer reviewed studies by real climate scientists. Below is another thread where both these jokers are completely refuted. The data you are trying to use is complete garbage. http://www.hi-izuru.org/forum/General Chat/2011-12-20-Climatologist_ - Cliff Harris.html
@Distraff We agree something big happened circa 536 AD? Can you show me the "blip" in your charts. Hope you checked out 322 above.
If you look at the chart I presented, it shows a downward spike around 536 AD. Take a look at it again.
What does the Black Line represent? Al Gore? Also the temperature axis on the left is just too stunted to give a full appreciation of the magnitude of difference between the Medieval Warm Up and the Little Ice Age considering the effect on Europe, the largest Native American city along the old, Mississippi River, the tribes of the Eurasian Steppes getting restless, etc.
I think I will just live life. I have little influence either way . I am old now. It gets colder every winter...and hotter every summer.
Wow, instruments that can be taking readings of the future in the same Black Line. That is impressive
I'm not following you here. What are you seeing that's in the future? Am I looking at the same chart you are?
And here I believed Al Gore was a scientist, just as Michelle Obama is a nutritionist Michelle's kids were more fresh meat deprived than broccoli deprived BTW @Distraff, have YOU taken a Science course beyond Junior High? How about High school? Just curious
I've taken college-level science. Al Gore is a politician who hasn't been relevant in 15 years. He is not a scientist, he is just a politician who believes the scientists. I personally don't know much about Al Gore or support him.
That's not true, a single large scale eruption can create a lot of havoc. More so now than any time in history because of our reliance on technology. Even smaller eruption now interfere with air travel. The consequences towards the climate would be secondary to the economic damage that would be caused. Obviously Yellowstone would most effect the US and the rest of the world, whereas somewhere like Siberia would have a lesser yet still significant impact.
Cliff Harris says he's a climatologist, but his own web site (longrangeweather.com) doesn't even have him admitting that he went to school. And, the credits he claims have to do with weather, not climate. At least his partner claims to have gone to school, but he states clearly that he's a meteorologist who has done weather reporting and is teaching geography in North Idaho College(!). I don't know why we're being asked to consider this chart and all it's various implied claims as overriding the entire field of actual real live climatology. That pretty much seems insulting.
