The coup investigation is about to enter a new phase.

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  1. AARguy

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    LOLOLOL... Libs will be trying to get Trump for SOMETHING... ANYTHING... until the end of time.Talk about a CULT! It's HILARIOUS!!
     
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    Finally, the circle is closing on Trump. Hopefully, something will come of it.

    CNN reports, "Donald Trump’s former chief of staff Mark Meadows has been subpoenaed by the special counsel investigating the former president and his role in the January 6, 2021, insurrection.

    "Special counsel Jack Smith’s office is seeking documents and testimony related to January 6, and Meadows received the subpoena sometime in January, the source said. An attorney for Meadows declined to comment.

    "The move to subpoena one of Trump’s most senior aides – in addition to the recent subpoena of former Vice President Mike Pence, as CNN reported last week – marks the latest significant step in the special counsel’s investigation into Trump’s role in seeking to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election.

    "Smith also is simultaneously investigating Trump’s handling of classified documents after leaving office. While the subpoena is related to January 6, Meadows also may be of interest in the documents investigation. He was one of Trump’s designees to the National Archives and played a role in discussions around returning government records in his possession.

    "Meadows was involved in the infamous phone call between Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and in a December 2020 White House meeting about election fraud claims. Meadows also visited a site where an audit of Georgia’s election was underway and sent emails to Justice Department officials about unsubstantiated fraud allegations.

    "On January 6, Meadows was in and out of the Oval Office and witness to Trump’s actions as rioters overtook the US Capitol that day."

    How does Meadows feel about working for a President who tried to overthrow our elected government?


    Many would love to hear a direct answer to that question. We won't get one.
     
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    Trump never tried to overthrow anything.... silly radical left wing propaganda. A relatively small, disorganized, unarmed group of protesers taking over ONE BUILDING for a few hours is hardly a coup. It would take a concentrate effort of armed folks coast to coast seizing transportation centers, communications hubs, police facilities and military installations... and thousands of people taking over key posts all over the country.

    "Overthrow our elected government"... LOLOLOLOL... HILARIOUS!!
     
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    Dude, a free and fair election is our democracy and there's never been any validation the 2020 presidential election was fair (certainly free) due to pandemic rules.
    Matter of fact, the undemocratic press has done everything in its power to prevent democracy by censoring some material which would educate the public to make a better political choice, er, democracy.
    If you want to actually call out someone or something for being undemocratic, it would be the press.
     
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  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Am I to believe you think he should not be investigated/prosecuted for housing discrimination, defrauding the students of his real estate school, stealing money from his charitable foundation, extorting a foreign leader in to helping his political campaign, illegally attempting to block Biden's certification, pressuring GA officials to find 11,800 votes for him, tax evasion, tax fraud, illegally paying hush money in order to defraud the American public, stealing and then concealing classified documents, and various crimes connected to 1/6 and the events leading up to it? If so could you explain why?
     
  6. WillReadmore

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    There were NUMEROUS claims made by people who hated the election outcome.

    They were ALL shown to be BS.

    Yet we still had hatred so deep that lethal assault on our democracy was carried out, with Trump doing no more than standing by.

    We even had Trump working to get a state to switch the election outcome in his favor!! We had the wife of Justice Clarence Thomas working to get election outcomes switched!! And, of course as has been common, Thomas refuses to recuse himself on related rulings.

    America behaved like a banana republic!

    Now, we STILL have a congress full of Republicans who believe the election was stolen (or say they do) - even though they have NO JUSTIFICATION for that view. And, we STILL have Fox and others backing the idea that the election was stolen, even when they themselves KNOW it is a lie.
     
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    Investigate all you want. There is no criminal activity anywhere. You have investigated for YEARS and burned through millions of dollars and Trump hasn't been convicted of any crime anywhere. Keep wasting your resources... I'm all for it. Empty those democrat coffers in a useless effort all you want.
     
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    You're wrong. None of those claims of an undemocratic election result in the 2020 election have been disproved. Maybe you're referencing the refusal to investigate the 2020 election due to state election officials' responses??? Let me clue you in on something. State election officials validate election results by having the capability of verifying ballots before they're dropped into the ballot box and, because of pandemic rules in the 2020 election, ballots were dropped into the ballot box before they could be verified. Who knows how many ballots were dropped into ballot boxes with validation by state election officials beforehand but we do know that Biden won the presidency by winning 3 states by very thin margins in each state.


    This means that state election officials had no clue about the validity of the results of the 2020 election (because the presidency race was so very close) since the only way state election officials can verify election results was thwarted by pandemic rules.

    How do I know how ballots are legitimized by election officials? I was one for about 8 years.
    I performed the job of validating ballots before they were dropped into the ballot box in my precinct...And validating ballots before they're dropped into the ballot box is the only way state election officials have of validating election results.

    As a sidenote, my god, how little some care about democracy that they'll poo-poo a close election result dispute 'cause election officials deem the election results legitimate.:roll:
     
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  9. Lee Atwater

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    Surely you have not deceived yourself to that degree.

    Donald J. Trump Pays Court-Ordered $2 Million For Illegally Using Trump Foundation Funds
    https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/201...ed-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation

    Surely you are not so naive as to think a micro-manager like Trump did not participate in this illegal scheme, are you?

    Jury finds Trump Organization guilty of tax fraud scheme
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...rganization-guilty-tax-fraud-scheme-rcna60326

    Surely you know that Cohen's co-conspirator, named as Individual 1 in the charging document, the man who ordered Cohen to make the illegal payment, is the criminal known as Dear Leader.

    Michael Cohen Pleads Guilty In Manhattan Federal Court To Eight Counts, Including Criminal Tax Evasion And Campaign Finance Violations
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/p...ral-court-eight-counts-including-criminal-tax
     
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    It's up to challengers to prove they have a case.

    Republicans have tried NUMEROUS times, and all have failed. In fact, Trump tried to actually change election results by diddling ballots!!

    Remember that in 2000 Republicans denied Gore a recount covering a region that had very clearly faulty election equipment.
     
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    Where is the criminal conviction? Show me a court, location and date that found Trump himself guilty of any felony... anywhere. Please name the court, the location and the date. You can't. By the way, before you proceed, you should learn the difference between a CRIMINAL CASE (which involves a CRIME) and a CIVIL CASE (like being sued by someone that slipped on your sidewalk).

    HINT: COHEN is NOT TRUMP.
     
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  12. WillReadmore

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    What Trump was found guilty of in his misuse of charitable funds does constitute crime.

    You don't have to go further than that if what you are actually worried about is whether Trump is a criminal.

    Amazingly enough, you can still vote for him for public office!!!
     
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    If it constituted a crime, why wasn't he charged?
     
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    Perhaps because they/he admitted it and paid the fine?

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    Last month, a federal judge ordered Trump to pay the $2 million in damages after the foundation admitted in a settlement that the president personally misused foundation funds to help his 2016 presidential campaign, settle personal legal disputes and buyportraits of himself and sports memorabilia.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...dgment-misusing-his-charity-new-york-n1099296
     
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    Clearly, our nation is not interested in charging expresidents and possible presidential candidates.

    He was ordered by the court to pay millions in restitution.

    I find this amazing in part because he has misappropriated charitable donations (that are tax exempt) on a number of occasions.

    It's not like he is a first time offender.
     
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    So the matter was dealt with and closed? So why has it been brought up, that article suggests 2019?
     
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    If the court dealt with it, and it was some years ago and the matter closed, why are we wasting time on it?

    Do you and your partner still drag things up from four years ago, even when they've been resolved? Just looking at motives.
     
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    I don't know why it was brought up, I just attempted to provide an answer to your question.
     
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    My partner??

    And, yes. The fact that Trump was found guilty is an indication of his moral character.

    He has done NOTHING to reverse that. He hasn't apologized. He hasn't joined a religion. He hasn't stopped fabricating nonsense and calling it truth.

    So, all that history is totally applicable.

    Today, we have Santos. All his crap appears to be in the past, too. Do you think that is good enough?
     
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    Applicable to the TDS crowd.
     
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    A boatload of misinformation. I explained in my post you quoted and you disregarded. I guess, you just don't care about democracy.
     
  22. WillReadmore

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    You didn't even touch anything.

    Plus, there is still the fact that the Republicans have led in assuring that they can gerrymander in order to gain primacy regardless of what the public actually wants. And, that goes at the state level as well.

    Beyond that, there are more citizens in Washington, DC than in either Vermont or Wyoming, yet Republicans demand that they have ZERO congressional representation, yet pay federal taxes set by that body.

    At one time, Republicans weren't in favor of taxation without representation!! What the heck happened to them?
     
  23. Lee Atwater

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    Your steadfast defense of Dear Leader in the face of overwhelming evidence Don committed civil and criminal violations of law brought this to mind.

     
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    Now you want to strawman into gerrymandering after you've strawmanned about the freeness and fairness of the 2020 presidential election?:roflol:
     
  25. WillReadmore

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    When the topic is democracy and whether the Republican right is interested in that, there are a significant number of examples of anti-democratic behavior on their part.

    It's not just the Jan 6 insurrection, with the intent to assassinate the VP and overthrow our presidential election.
     

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