The debt is proof of our wealth

Garbage. Almost all that land is so disadvantageous almost no one can make a living on it, especially not one acre of it. Even emancipated slaves were supposed to get 40 acres and a mule (hint: they never got the mule, and they sure as hell never got the 40 acres). There's a reason land in cities costs so much: that's how much the market expects the subsidy to the landowner to be. The subsidy is far smaller out in the wilderness.

 

Liberty, justice and truth.

Evil is deliberate, uncompensated abrogation of others' rights with intent to inflict injustice. Evil must always be justified, and the only way to justify it is with lies. Those who lie to justify evil are also evil. See, "Judgment at Nuremberg," the most eloquent expression of this concept I have seen.

Forget about injustice in land tenure, the worst injustice in capitalist societies? Ah, no, sorry, can't do it. Wish I could.

See? I say, "justice," and the concept completely baffles you. You have no idea what it is. It's nothing but a string of letters to you.

Justice is rewards commensurate with contributions and penalties commensurate with deprivations. Liberty is not being forcibly deprived by others of your ability to do what you would otherwise be able to do. Socialists claim to advocate socialism for the sake of justice, while capitalists claim to advocate capitalism for the sake of liberty. But if socialists valued justice above socialism, they would advocate liberty; and if capitalists valued liberty above capitalism, they would advocate justice.

 

Well, the real difference is that land is not a human being.

But, seriously, if you want some land, you can buy it. It's available.

 

I didn't expect you to come out with anything more than vagueness coupled with rant. Shame really

 

Are you a farmer/rancher/gardener? Do you wish to make a living that is based on land?

 

<sigh> "Greed (unfortunately mistranslated as 'love of money') is the root of all manner of evil." -- 1 Timothy 6:10

Citing that verse doesn't make me a believer.

GET IT???

 

I was as clear, precise and specific as possible, as you know perfectly well.

 

No.

All production requires land. Any city job requires you to live at a location -- land -- within commuting distance. That's one reason such locations cost so much.

 

So, does your income depend upon your accessibility to land?

 

Neither is the earth's atmosphere. Does that mean it would be OK if someone owned it, and charged you rent for air to breathe?

Give your head a shake. Seriously. It's time.

"But seriously, if you want some air, you can buy it. It's available."

Do you really think that would mean the owner of the earth's atmosphere was not robbing and enslaving everyone else through his property "rights"?

If a "property" consists of depriving others of what they would otherwise have, it cannot be rightful. Not too hard a concept. Except for feudal "libertarians," that is...

 

There's nothing that you could not otherwise have. So you are advocating a society with no rules.

 

That you believe that is indeed a problem. I don't hide from what I want. I don't use cheery words to pretend meaning. I am a market socialist who wants worker ownership to be the norm. What are you?

 

these are questions that appeal to liberals and second graders. A fish cant show you that NYC exists and a human can't show that God exists. That is why religions are a matter of faith not reason. People don't say, what is your reason but they do say what is your faith. Get it now?

Far more importantly, do you thank God on bended knee each and every day that Jesus and Luther taught the 10 commandments to billions and thus created morality and civilization on earth?

 

dumb idea which free people can try any time they want, but mostly don't because its,well, a very dumb libcommie idea. Millions of sole proprieterships exist and they grow or die according to how much worker ownership makes sense. I gather what you mean when you say you want worker ownership is that you want a libNazi govt to impose it at gunpoint so it can have a true test that will demonstrate its true superiority?

 

Insanity of course since land is not a living thing while slaves are.

 

That market socialism is consistent with Austrian Economics describes just how low you'll go with your libcommie cobblers

 

So you admit that your statement that rights come from a creator is bullshit. Thank you.

 

actually market socialism is nonsense not associated with Austrian capitalism. Do you understand?

 

Again your opinion is based simply on a lack of knowledge. A review chosen randomly: http://www.panoeconomicus.rs/casopis/devetibroj/socialism after hayek.pdf

 

If I admitted that I will pay you $10,00. Bet?

 

why not cut the libcommie BS and provide a quote from Mises supporting market socialism!!

 

Chortle, chortle. Read the article. What do we have? We have Hayek trying to win the socialist calculation debate and only empowering market socialist analysis.

 

so you have no quote from Mises Hayek supporting market socialism??

 

You do understand that I said Austrian Economics, rather than "what Mises said like"? No critique from the article provided? You do surprise me!

 

oh, so you are talking Austrian Economics not Mises Hayek??

Austrian School - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School
Mises subsequently discussed Weber's idea with his student Friedrich Hayek, who developed it in various works including The Road to Serfdom. The problem concerns the means by which resources are allocated and distributed in an economy. Austrian theory emphasizes the organizing power of markets.
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