The Downfall of the GOP

Dead wrong of course

Which is among the useful fictions created by leftist that 8s founded upon lies a list longer than any you care to read let alone write.

 

Blind blue sheep following platitudes - feel good phrases that have no basis in reality.

 

A really ignorant post.

 

Not all Christians are the same. The Protestant KKK hates Catholics as much as they hate Blacks and Jews. Southern Christianity is a bit more out there than it is in the North where it is more restrained. As one travels from the East Coast to the West Coast, religiosity drops off.

When one speaks of what it takes to go go to heaven, a conservative Christian is more likely to say worship of God, whereas a more liberal minded Christian is more likely say by doing good for their fellow humans, especially the less fortunate. It is why Catholic Churches tend to spend most of their wealth on programs that help people, like Catholic Charities. Protestant preachers like to live in big houses and drive expensive cars.

 

Yours or his?

 

Gerrymandering and other voter suppression efforts are more effective in House elections while having almost no effect on Senate or Presidential elections. In Wisconsin the Democrats hold the stare wide offices, but due to 2010 Gerrymandering, the Republicans hold the state legislature, even though more people voted for Democrats. In a fair election, Democrats would control Wisconsin and hold at least two more seats in the House.

 

It is not like there is anything new under the Conservadome. Same old same old.

 

Yours

 

Explain how you recognize Gerrymandering.

 

I think that the term you might be looking for is authoritarian. There is a segment of the population that reacts positively to the type of leader that the Trump liked to pretend it was. A champion to rally behind. I have never bought into the idea that Christianity made people better. After all, the mafia and other organized crime organizations are often shrouded in Religiousness. The KKK is a Protestant organization. From my point of view, I don’t see the Trump’s immorality as an impediment to a conservative Christian or Evangelical being smitten by the “charm” of the Trump.

 

When sixty percent of the voters vote for one party yet receive only forty percent of the seats.

Of course you should be shocked, absolutely shocked that in Georgia, in the state wide elections for president and the two Senators, Democratic candidates prevailed, but the races dependent on district boundaries, not so well.

 

I really don't see much to disagree with. It's very true that IKE and JFK wouldn't recognize what their political parties have become. More and more folks are becoming totally disgusted with both major parties. This is one reason independents have risen from 30% of the electorate in 2006 to 41% today as both major parties shrink. More and more Americans are viewing both major parties as being bad, even evil at times. The problem with that is those left in each of the major parties have much more power politically than when they made up 80% of the electorate.

I agree traditional conservatism has died along with classic liberalism. But I don't blame religion for that. Trump is more of a symptom of what has been happening to our politics for the last 20-30 years which resulted in the modern political era of polarization, the great divide and mega, ultra high partisanship.

At one time both major parties respected each other, each would work and cooperate with each other. Each realized both major parties goal was a secure, free, prosperous America. Only the paths to get there was a bit different.

That all began to change when each major parties got rid of its unwanted wings, southern Democratic conservatives and the old Rockefeller liberal Northeastern Republicans. It probably is impossible for the younger ones of us to realize at one time the Northeast was basically solid Republican while the south solid Democratic. Now, today and for the last 10-20 years, both major parties are trying to rid themselves of their moderates and doing a pretty good job of it.

Perhaps religion does play a role here, many Republicans view the Democratic Party as being anti religion and trying to destroy religion in this country. On the other side, it's like you said, many Democrats view the Republicans as trying to make this country a theocracy.

 

giggle giggle

 

That is inadequate. You are leaving out the voters preference. If that was the only criteria for districting, there would be no need for elections.

 

In far too many ways similar to the red sheep.
If they could only learn the same lessons at the same time ...

“Information is power. Burying information either directly enriches some people at the expense of others, or indirectly maintains a profit relationship that would be altered given full information. Drug companies that subsidize prescription decisions, federal plans to make defense contractors even larger than they already are, a faulty epilepsy drug whose flaws are buried in the financial pages are all examples of the economic consequences of controlling the flow of information." JULIANNE MALVEAUX Ph.D., CENSORED, The News That Didn’t Make The News— And Why, The 1995 Project Censored Yearbook, Kyle Jensen& project censored, FOUR WALLS EIGHT WINDOWS, New York/London 1995. P118,119.

 

Gerrymandering works both way and both parties love to do it. After the 2010 census the Democrats gerrymandered the heck out of Illinois and New York. The GOP did the same with Texas, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. Perhaps Wisconsin should be added to that list.

Gerrymandering in my book is representatives choosing their voters instead of the voters choosing their representatives. It ought to be outlawed. But neither major parties wants to outlaw gerrymandering. Both drool over the prospects of being able to gerrymander. It's only the party out of power that has been gerrymandered against that wants to end it. Then when they gain power and can gerrymander, they do it with no qualms.

 

Johnson pulled Kennedy in his direction. After Kennedy was shot, Johnson justified his initial efforts after taking over, by saying he was doing so honoring what John Kennedy was pushing for, even though he was mostly just pushing his own ideas. Ideas that he had been trying to convince the Kennedy’s of.

 

For obvious practical reasons.

 

The truth remains the same.

 

You are making up meaning and applying it to the word Secularism - then using this new made up word to label some group that you don't like .. in this case the group you are referring to is "people who are not Puritans" .

and Yes .. while People who are Puritans may favor Theocracy / Are against Secularism .. people who are not Puritans does not define the word "Secularism" - and certainly not in the context of the founding principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence.

Which states - that the legitimate authority of Gov't is to come from the people - as opposed to "Divine Right" "God" - the former being "Secularism" - the latter being a form of "Theocracy"

You are welcome to believe in what ever system you wish .. you are welcome to believe in Theocracy -many other Nations Share your belief .. Saudi Arabia being top of the food chain in that respect .. our good buddy and Brother from another Mother in the Middle East.

 

And the cycle renews itself. In every Presidential election one side or the other (depending on which letter won) talks about how the other side (that lost) is "imploding" or "in its downfall" or "on its last breath" or some variation thereof. Yet the pendulum still ends up swinging to the other side.

There is a reason that they refer political tides as the "pendulum" btw....its not just because we go from one political party to the other and back. But also because that pendulum is also stuck forever moving in the same path it always takes.

 

The premise of this thread is flawed.

Republicans now enjoy unmatched power in the states. It was a 40-year effort.

Who controls state legislatures 1980 to 2020

Bill Clinton and hapless Democrats 1993 assault weapons ban, James Carville warned would cost Dems the South, they plowed on through his warnings and lost the South and Blue Collar Trades.

A 40-year shift
The GOP hit its peak of 32 states in 2016.

Democrats claimed they would gain up to seven legislative chambers in the 2020 election; instead, they lost two in New Hampshire. “The Democrats spend half a billion dollars in state legislative races across the country, and said they were going to flip multiple chambers … and they didn’t.”

And more importantly, it will take an agenda that folks actually want, not something Dems seem to have much interest in.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...unmatched-power-states-it-was-40-year-effort/

They are 1 seat from majority in the Senate
5 Seats from majority in the House
They are +12 on State Legislature Control
Plus 4 State Governorships

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Dems did manage to capitalize on the tragedy of COVID to weaken voter fraud protections, but, the Courts are steadily rolling this back, as are the State Legislatures. The GOP will likely regain the House majority in 2022 and very likely the WH and Senate by 2024

If Dems want to do better, they need to listen to the US Electorate rather than constantly trying to control them through autocratic mandates. Americans hate that kind of crap.

 

You are not giving credit where credit is due. IMO .. Goldwater sums it up almost as best one can in one sentence .. and even getting the Golden Rule in there..

"The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process."

The religious right hates this rule - though it be the rock on which Christ based his teachings - and the foundation of our founding principles and belief in essential liberty. - a quite blessed union of "Secularism" and the main teaching of Jesus.

One thing Biden got right - was in his debate against Ryan on abortion .. Biden said - "I am a Catholic - and as such believe that abortion is wrong on a personal moral basis .. but I don't believe in forcing my personal religious beliefs on others through Law.

Prohibition - the "Temperance movement" - intro to "Utilitarianism" as justification for law 101.
The Drug War - Just say No. Utilitarianism Chapter 2 .. 3 .. and then the left got ahold of it and took it to the next level. .. a landmark moment being the unholy union of the religious right and Nazi Feminists on pornography and prostitution. ..

This was a Utilitarianism 801 festival of evil .. that is justification for law "solely" on the basis of what will increase happiness to the collective. .. and now you have a name for the plague that has been eating away at the safeguards put in place by the founders to protect essential liberty - and limit the power of Gov't..

Utilitarianism allows for an end run around those safe guards - as it does not consider the rights of the individual - hence why this justification for law - as the sole basis - is an anathema to the founding principles.

 

It is like a movie - not real - but it is real. Problem is that the movie is both dystopian and Orwellian ..

Just a brief few moments delving into Edward Bernays - "Propaganda" on the web - how he pioneered the Public Relations Industry on the basis of Uncle Freud's principles.

was at a conference recently - Online of course .. one of the topics was pipelines - and the Canadian Native Perspective .. except these bands - which are the overwhelming majority - are pro pipeline.. saying how one of the main funders of these protests is the Rockefeller foundation .. and the irony of Family who made its money on oil - funding the protest - but the real reason is that they are ensuring a source of cheap oil to the US - and less competition overseas .. as the protesters are blocking a pipeline not to the US but to the Western Coast of Canada. . where they will get the Brent Price .. and compete in the global market against .. the Rockefeller and Friends .. what I like to call the R&R consortia .. coincidence is the reading railroad symbol !

 

I believe it's wrong to force one's views on others, be that religious, political or whatever. What we're seeing today is each side trying to use the power of government to force their views on the rest of us be that religious or political.

I firmly believe Goldwater was correct in that that people have the right to live life as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process. In many ways Barry was ahead of his time. I remember him saying as far as gays in the military, "You don't have to be straight to shoot straight." To carry that further, I sure Barry would like I believe only the woman should decide whether or not she should have an abortion. That love should decide who gets married, not government.

I don't have the fear of religion that you do though. I fear government more and political parties for trying to get or force me into believing the way their do politically more than the religious aspect.