The Dutch Sick Of Multiculturalsim...

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  1. Paris

    Paris Well-Known Member

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    In France, the two parties in the presidential's run-off, who represent more than the majority of voters according to last Sunday's results, are not more or less radically Eurosceptic.
    Keep wishing though.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most wars are about religion or territory, not culture.
     
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    You need not trouble yourself to attempt to give me history lessons as my knowledge of the subject is quite extensive.

    Still, the bottom line is the Dutch, like the British, like the French, and like Americans have had no trouble in excusing the invasion of other countries in the name of religion, "justice", or whatever. Therefore, they should have no trouble with multiculturalism
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One has nothing to do with the other.
     
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    Yes it does. Besides, immigrants enter into Holland peacefully, while Holland invaded and killed thousands of innocents overseas. They have yet to pay compensation for their crimes.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The past is the past.

    Of course immigrants enter peacefully, otherwise they would not be entering.
     
  7. Anders Hoveland

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    [video=youtube;Rfm1l9g8UAY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfm1l9g8UAY&feature=related[/video]

    What Wilders advocates is really not unreasonable. Immigrants that commit serious crimes should be deported, and not allowed to return.
    What is unreasonable is that the Progressive politicians continue to allow rapists, murderers, and violent jihadists to continue to stay in the country. The immigrant criminals are given lenient sentences, then released right back into european society. Even the ones who are actually deported are usually allowed to reapply to come back in! This is just ridiculous. Immigrants that cannot even speak Dutch do not have the same rights as Dutch citizens, despite what the progressive politicians want to think.
     
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    It may take bold steps to get the country back. Good for them.
     
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    No, what you did not understand is that Wilders still would let muslim immigrants in, and continue to give them free housing, food, and education so they do not have to work. He just wants to bring fewer immigrants in from muslim countries, and more from other countries instead, and to deport the ones that have committed rape or violent crimes.

    And for that, his party has been branded "far-right" (= nazi). Just goes to show how difficult it is to speak out about the immigration problems.

    And not surprising, the multiculturalists tried to attack Wilders with hate speech laws, which they were unsuccessful at. (apparently criticising Islam can put you in danger of a prison sentence; just wait until the muslims take over!)
    The Dutch Public Prosecution Service initially refused to prosecute Wilders because it did not consider his statements illegal. But they were then ordered by a court of appeal to prosecute him nonetheless. During the process, the Prosecution Service argued that Wilders should be acquitted on all counts! A retrial was ordered after it emerged that one of the judges in the case had tried to sway a potential witness. The judge had dinner with the witness, a Arabic studies professor named Hans Jansen, who revealed that the judge had tried "to convince me of the correctness of the decision to take Wilders to court". The United Kingdom tried to ban Wilders in a politically motivated move (they have already banned an American radio show host who has never even been to the UK).
     
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    I don't know much about this guy. I was just applauding him for the deportations.
     
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    I'm Dutch, and also an immigration coach. That means that I help an immigrant to enter Dutch society, and he is a Muslim from the Middle East (Iraqi refugee).
    I've volunteered for two reasons: to serve my community and to understand the Dutch immigration problem.

    What you need to understand is that Holland has always been a very tolerant country. One famous example of this is the story of Spinoza. However, society then and now are different, there is more individualization and social responsibilities of the community or the church have been institutionalized into the government. This also means that an immigrant needs to be able to participate in this environment. And for this we now hold the immigrant responsible and there is an exam in which they need to proof themselves. This includes being able to read and write in Dutch at a basic level, know basic values (like woman have equal rights) and understand what a bank, the police, energy supplier etc. does. I think this is a good way forward, if you get the right to live here, you get the responsibility to adapt. Because why would I adapt?

    Unfortunately, reality is less simple. I've spoken with immigrants that have been tortured and/or traumatized in their home country. Sometimes they left family back there and don't know if they are alive. These things make picking up a new life and learning to adapt in a strange world very difficult. I think that we also have a moral responsibility to help the people when they can't carry the responsibility on their own.
     

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