The End of America

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit.../283307-obama-destroyer-2.html#post1062146183

Good place to go from here...

 

What's worse than your continued ignorance on many of these topics is your refusal to learn from others. Insessant arguing for no other purpose than to argu while you ignore what others say and refuse to learn from others or at least ask more questions of others is not flattering of you and becomes a burden on society.

I can't fault you for only knowing what you know...but I do fault you for not trying to learn from these discussions in these threads. This does not mean I am more correct than you; it means you really should take the time to listen to others, to think about what they say, to rationalize the input without all of your biases, and this is how you can grow as a person...

 

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Solve this one problem; $16 trillion national debt.

 

You have a theme!! Everyone is at fault except for you...

 

the country has solved big debt problems before

do you think it's impossible to do again?

 

A ratio of government debt to GDP is meaningless?

Government is funded by tax policy, not GDP. If GDP was to drop by $3 trillion, for example, do you believe the federal government would also reduce itself by 20%? Well the answer is NO. In fact the government spending might even increase! Therefore, comparing government debt to the GDP is meaningless.


We are a nation who refuse to do anything about taxes and spending to deal with the $1.7 trillion fiscal 2013 deficit spending. Therefore, yes it is impossible to do anything about the $16 trillion in debt...

 

It takes years to process the I-130 and the DS-230, it costs thousands of dollars, it is a Bureaucracy of many different departments scattered amongst different states. When the Bureaucrats make mistakes it results in the "free" citizen having to file the same form over and over causing tremendous delays. The only recourse anyone has is spending thousands more on lawyers to navigate through the red tape and the mistakes of life-long government workers within an ever expanding bureaucratic mess.

dujac posted in response to me,

In my experience the system is not working, it is broken. So again explain what you mean when you state "the political system works" in context to the facts I have posted.

 

As ignorant as I may be, I do know how to spell 'insessant'.

 

you're wrong, it means we have a lower debt to gdp ratio now, than we did right after wwII

higher gdp usually means more taxes

my grandfather used to say, if a frog's ass was rubber he'd bounce

my reply was, it's not

i think we're doing something already, slow is best anyway

notice the gradual reduction between 1949 and 1973

 

Everything you can mention today is different from post WWII...therefore it is silly to compare today to 1945.

We have had growing GDP but we have less tax revenue!

The USA today is doing absolutely nothing about national debt; if you believe so then please explain.

 

i didn't say things were the same, i'm saying it's possible to reduce deficit spending

clinton certainly did it and not so long ago

thank gop obstructionism for the slow recovery

we're talking about it more and looking for ways to both pay down the debt and reduce spending

funny, yesterday i was thinking that if had gotten acreage on a certain cul-de-sac, nearby

i wouldn't have to worry about cars passing by, down on the road, so much

 

If we were going to legitimately pay down the debt, we should have addressed it BEFORE it became so enormous. After Bush left office, and the near catastrophe of our financial system, that became impossible. The number is literally too large to ever have any hope of containment. That's why we have "QE unlimited" now. Bush insured the economy would collapse and any other conclusion is unrealistic and merely for political pandering.

 

that's not true

as i showed with the graph, we had more debt, as a portion of gdp, after wwII

than we do now

 

Dude....grab a calculator. (make sure it can display LOTS of digit places). The debt is irreversible. Closing the barn door after the hose has left. Trying to stick your finger in a dam when the dam is collapsing. It is not possible to stop it. Basic math skills can quickly verify the obvious.

 

that's political rhetoric, not reality

no i'm comparing one debt figure to another

show me a link to that projection

 

Yeah...plugging numbers into a calculator is difficult for some...completely unrealistic.

 

i think the problem is more about your lack of understanding on how public debt works, not math

just out curiosity, how does it feel to be arguing on the same side as a truther?

 

We are not going to pay down the debt with the current politicians or any I see rising. Does not matter if they are Republican or Democrat, yes Bush got us in this mess, both of them, the Apple does not fall far from the tree. American Spectator ran an article that showed every Republican out spent the Democrat that they replaced, I should search and find it but one just needs to google to see the truth.

Unless the USA grows up and acts like the world leader we are the Earth is going to be a horrible place for everyone for a long time.

Its time to get the government out of the way, its time to get the lawyers out of the way and really grow our economy.

Fire the government and all the workers, privatize everything, even the schools.

Rebuild heavy industry, expand nuclear power to 1000 reactors, develop coal, steel, build like we never have in our history. Allow the people to come to the USA and crush everyone in our way.

Its this generation's turn to have the American dream and people should wake up and get their collective heads back on their shoulders.

Where is our leader. Who is going to inspire. Where.

 

you've never taken an economics class, have you?

 

No need to, you think the government is the greatest thing since sliced bread. The government is in the way, the less they take, the less they control economics. That part is simple. If I was king everything would be private, the government does not run anything in a efficient manner. They broke the schools and can not fix them. They can not run the post office, they can not even deliver a package to my house, I get a P.O. Box and I get a letter from a different city with a different zip code. The only thing in the way of my life is government.

So tell me the economic effect privatizing schools will have to begin with, 100% online I say to begin with, we can send a man to the moon, we can make the most advanced University courses available online, free, for everyone in the world. That we are not doing that is one reason this country is failing.

What do you do for a living, I see its not in your profile, and let me know the economics of taking away the jobs of all those teachers and letting them start private schools.

Time to take the power away, its at the point were we are ran by dictators. You must have a nice

 

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