The English baby that the British health plan want to kill should tell everyone a lot

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Well experimental means just that

    http://www.medicaldaily.com/x-files-clinical-trials-human-experimental-subjects-372422

    People do die in drug trials
     
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    Let's all laugh next time some lying leftist says socialized medicine doesn't have death panels.
     
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    What has this case to do with public v private health care?
     
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    No, they actually don't. Let's all laugh when some lying right wing nutjob claims they do/
     
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    Actually they do genius. The NHS had decided this baby is no longer going to be on life support. Complete ignorance, or outright dishonestly on your part. Which is it?
     
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    Complete ignorance on your part.
    Not only that, but they said it would be futile and would prolong Charlie’s suffering. This is not an issue about money or resources, but absolutely about what is right for Charlie.
    http://www.gosh.nhs.uk/news/latest-press-releases/latest-statement-charlie-gard
     
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    Yep, killing another human is looking out for their well being. Thanks Orwell 1984.
     
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    No they really don't.

    Because the baby has reached the end of the road.

    I'm going to ask you the same question, plus another.

    Name one hospital that doesn't switch off life support when the time comes.
     
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    Your article just confirmed the very thing I said. Congrats.
    And, I hate to break it to you genius, you don't kill someone for their well being. What the **** is wrong with you?
     
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    Sorry, if you cannot understand the article, it is pointless debating with you. Funding is available, https://www.gofundme.com/please-help-to-save-charlies-life.
     
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    So beuracrats in the NHS decided that the baby has reached the end of the road, but that's not a death panel, which decides life and death. Wow, makes sense now.:rolleyes:
     
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    Im sorry you lack basic reading comprehension. The article confirmed what I said. Try harder next time.
     
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    Again please show how this has anything to do with private v public health care? Put up, or shut up.
     
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    No, doctors reached the conclusion.
     
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    I made a factual statement about socialized healthcare. That's me putting up, andbyou not knowing when to shut up.
     
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    You have not made any factual statements, you have offered your opinion, try to understand the difference.
     
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    Who decide that this child will no longer go on living?
     
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    You just said that since he didn't approve of his own procedure that it shouldn't be allowed. You literally just posted that and lacking the intellectual capacity to even see how stupid that reasoning is. You made the argument against all future operations or treatments on infants because they can't approve it. Do you even see how stupid that reasoning is?

    Your own words. "Charlie has not decided to try out experimental treatment"
     
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    Post proof that this experimental treatment is not worth the effort.

    Would you deny children this experimental treatment.

    http://www.healthline.com/health-news/hope-for-infants-with-cancer

    How about this experimental treatment.

    https://www.upi.com/Health_News/201...with-rare-fatal-muscle-disease/9431481083473/

    I guess they really messed up when they did this experimental treatment.

    https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-n...-first-infant-to-receive-lifesaving-drug.html

    All of these were done on infants who didn't approve of the treatments and according to your own stupid ass logic should have been denied access to said treatments.

    It amazes me how disgusting and vile people will sink to in order to justify their initial decision. Shows a complete incapability for growth and introspection
     
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    https://www.statnews.com/2017/07/17/charlie-gard-treatment/

    Are the 18 patients like Charlie?
    Not exactly. They all have a mutation in the TK2 gene, not RRM2B. Both mutations produce mitochondrial DNA depletion. The most publicized TK2 patient is Arturito Estopinan, who was born with TK2 disease in 2011 and has been treated by Hirano since he was 1. At first Arturito received nucleotides, the actual building blocks of DNA, but after two years he was switched to nucleosides, which are better able to survive the gastrointestinal tract and reach cells and their mitochondria.

    Is anyone going to put nucleoside therapy to a rigorous test?
    “A proper clinical trial has not started,” said Dr. Fernando Scaglia, professor of medical and human genetics at Baylor College of Medicine. A biotech investment company called Aceras BioMedical has been asking physicians who treat patients with mitochondrial disease if they would be willing to participate in a clinical trial of nucleoside therapy for TK2 patients like Arturito, perhaps as early as next year. “But no one is talking about RRM2B,” the form of the disease that Charlie (and reportedly only 15 other patients in the world) has, Scaglia added.
     
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    Go back and read what I wrote, not what you imagined.
     
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    Nice try but you aren't getting away from it. Now defend your idiotic statement about infants not approving their procedures.
     
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    You made the argument clear as day for everyone to see. Now defend it.
     
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    You wanted proof there it is.
     
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