The Era of rivalry, Biden vs. Trump and their respective parties

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    Last week a major achievement was realized by the Democratic Party and the Biden administration. The legislation that will help millions of people across the globe.

    Republicans, of course, are expected to oppose the package.

    The WSJ reports, "Sen. Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.) and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) said they had agreed to a deal to support a legislative package that would spend hundreds of billions of dollars and affect a swath of climate, healthcare, prescription-drug and tax policies.

    "The announcement came after months of on-and-off negotiations between the two Democrats over a crucial piece of President Biden’s agenda, and is much narrower than the original package proposed by the president.

    Today Manchin said Republicans agree.

    CNN explains, "Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin argued Sunday that Republicans would in “normal times” support an energy and health care bill he recently negotiated with leaders of his party, saying the major piece of legislation addresses key areas the GOP has long championed.

    “I think it’s a great piece of legislation and on normal times, my Republican colleagues would be for something such as this. We’ve basically paid down debt, (which) is what they want. We’ve accelerated permitting, which is what they want. And we’ve increased production of energy, which is what they want. We’ve done things that we should be doing together,” Manchin, who represents West Virginia, told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union.”

    Manchin said the bill he negotiated with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is not “inflammatory” despite some reports promoted by Republicans that show it could add to inflation and raise taxes.

    “Well, we found that they were wrong. And people can be wrong, but how in the world can it be inflammatory?” Manchin told Tapper. “How can it add flames to inflation fires right now if you’re paying down debt?”

    He meant inflationary, not "inflammatory."
     
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    Donald Trump is the titular leader of the Republican Party. Most Republicans running for office in November say they believe the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, thus earning Trump's endorsement. Republicans are expected to win control of Congress in November.

    How can that be?

    Many wonder about that. As President, he destroyed an agreement that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. He severely weakened NATO to the point that, in the end, NATO leaders refused to talk to him. Trump was impeached twice, exonerated by his own party by overlooking the evidence. He lost his reelection bid by seven million votes to a 78 year-old Democrat, then launched a coup attempt to overthrow the elected government.

    Details of the coup attempt and Trump's involvement have been circulating over the past eighteen months, and the House committee has been conducting its hearing on live television for the past three weeks with more to come, including their final report just in time for the November mid-terms.

    Anyone with half a brain and Trump's past history would logically think it is time to lie low. Besides, incredible as it may seem, Trump is serious about announcing his candidacy for President of the United States. Even more reason to be cool and keep your mouth shut.

    Not Trump.

    Fifteen of the 19 attackers on 9/11 were citizens of Saudi Arabia.

    The Saudi leader, Mohammed bin Salman or MBS for short, ordered the killing and dismemberment of the US-based Saudi critic Jamal Khashoggi in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in October 2018. Trump supported and defended the Saudi leader even though American intelligence was convinced MBS ordered the hit.

    The golfing world has been dominated by talk of the LIV Golf Invitational Series, the Saudi-backed venture.

    Once again, Trump allies himself with Saudis, giving a thumbs down to the PGA which hosts golf tournaments mostly in the United States.

    Trump agreed to hold the third LIV tournament at Trump National Golf Club Bedminster in New Jersey. In your face, America, Bedminster is 50 miles from the hallowed ground in New York.

    The season-closing Team Championship will be held at Trump National Doral.

    Well, nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11, unfortunately, and they should have as to the maniacs that did that horrible thing to our city, to our country, to our world. So nobody’s really been there. There are a lot of really great people that are out here today, and we’re gonna have a lot of fun,” Trump said.

    The 9/11 Commission Report
    Is a huge volume that was three years in the making. It is sitting on one of my bookshelves.

    Honestly, I cannot understand any American supporting this man. Open your eyes.
     
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    Paying down debt lol! By spending billions of dollars we don't have. It's the same old vote buying scam.
     
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    The only thing I can come up with is the bible story of two women before a judge claiming to be the rightful mother of a baby. The judge didn't know which woman was the biological mother so he ordered for the baby to be cut in half but his mother screamed out and said that she would relinquish claim to the child. It was then the judge knew who his *real* mother was.

    We already know that Trump has no honor, loyalty or fidelity but he plays a long con very, very well. He and the people that are claiming to be "patriots" are akin to the fake mother in the bible story. They are all now complicit in backing someone actively and blatantly working against our best interests. He thrives on chaos and destruction and is relentlessly vindictive. Instead of all of them standing on the right side of the law, honoring their oaths of office and showing the world that they won't be bullied any longer, they have capitulated and demonized the few that have the honor to speak the uncomfortable truth.

    It doesn't make sense to side with the criminals against the Capitol police (whom they've all ignored). It doesn't make sense to completely ignore that Sidney Powell admitted under oath that she lied about widespread election fraud. It doesn't make sense to back a person that stole from his own donors' bank accounts, praised a dictator over his own POTUS and lawmakers and continues to call evil people "very fine people" as he stomps and offends just about everyone in his quest to grift everybody he can. They've sided with the biggest domestic terrorist this country has seen in years, if not decades, and chaos and destruction is all he knows.
     
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    Let me guess. They're planning to throw a lot of money at something.

    But where is this money going to come from?
     
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    What type of "healthcare" is this? Do you even care? Or you're just happy they're throwing money at it?

    Oh, and where are all these billions of dollars spent to help "climate change" going to come from? What other cuts are they going to make to fund this? What else is going to be sacrificed?

    Is there even any discussion about whether that money is going to be spent well and spent in an efficient area that makes overall logical sense?
    Or once again, I suspect you don't care.

    No word about what these "prescription-drug" policies are or whether that even makes any sense.
     
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    What's that? This is actually going to be paid for with inflation?

    So when you go to the grocery store and see prices have gone up another 15%, I guess people can be happy knowing that they are paying for this package.

    If inflation goes up 15%, that's kind of like an additional 15% tax on people's incomes.
     
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    As expected during a media frenzy concerning Pelosi and Taiwan, the Biden administration insisted that the Chinese government cannot dictate to Americans where they cannot go.

    CNN reports, "US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is expected to visit Taiwan as part of her tour of Asia, according to a senior Taiwanese government official and a US official.

    "The stop – the first for a US House speaker in 25 years – is not currently on Pelosi’s public itinerary and comes at a time when US-China relations are already at a low point.

    "She is expected to stay in Taiwan overnight. It is unclear when exactly Pelosi will land in Taipei."

    The Chinese reaction to this is almost comical. Apparently, the Chinese government views Nancy as a military threat and a threat to their sovereignty. China said that its military “won’t sit by idly” if Beijing feels its “sovereignty and territorial integrity” is being threatened, CNN reported.

    “We would like to tell the US once again that China is standing by, and the Chinese People’s Liberation Army will never sit idly by. China will take resolute responses and strong countermeasures to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told reporters.

    No doubt all of this is for the local audience. As a diplomatic position meant for foreign ears, the Chinese message is quite humorous.
     
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    64% of Americans think we are in a recession.

    64% of Americans are wrong!

    But they cannot be faulted. Most Americans are doing fine despite inflation, but because of the attention the media is giving to recession -- even providing experts who say we are in a recession or soon will be -- they think Americans as a whole are not doing fine.

    That, of course, is not true. However, an impending recession makes for a great news story.

    Soon, we may learn that the GDP dipped for the second quarter in a row. Some say that means we are in a recession.

    Well, they are wrong, too, so says Economic Professor Shanks.

    The American economy is based primarily on three factors, employment, job growth, and, most of all, consumer spending.

    We have been at or around 3.6% unemployment for most of the Biden administration. That is considered full employment. It is impossible to be heading for a recession with full employment.

    ABC reports, "The nation's June jobs report showed that hiring has remained healthy, with employers adding 372,000 jobs last month." It is impossible to be heading for a recession with that kind of job growth, or any job growth, for that matter. Recession causes loss of jobs and growing unemployment.

    Most important of all because the American economy is based on consumer spending, consumer spending is solid. See Personal Consumption Expenditures After a severe dip during Trump's Republican administration, consumer spending has been healthy. It is impossible to be heading for a recession with healthy consumer spending.

    Strangely enough, when the networks try to scare you about an impending recession they never mention consumer spending. That is strange because the most important factor in our economy is consumer spending.
     
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    A strong majority of Americans favor meaningful gun control laws and a ban on assault rifles.

    The NRA sponsored Republican Party is vehemently opposed to meaningful gun control laws and a ban on assault rifles.

    When it comes to abortion, a strong majority of Americans support the woman's right to decide her health decisions as well as decisions on related matters.

    The Republican Party strongly opposes the woman's rights in this matter and favor government control of the woman's health.

    The Earth is heating up and people are dying. A strong majority of Americans favor enacting climate change initiatives.

    The oil, gas, and coal sponsored Republican Party along with Senator Manchin are opposed to climate change legislation because it is inflationary. Beyond that, their sponsors wouldn't like it.

    Republicans are better than Democrats at managing the economy. Really? U.S. economic history belies that myth promulgated by Republicans.

    10 of the last 11 recessions started under Republican presidents. Every Republican president since Benjamin Harrison, who served from 1889 to 1893, had a recession in their first term in office. Below is the start date of recessions; the following list includes the president in office at that time and their party:

    1.) February 2008 (Bush 43 / R) House - D / Senate - D

    2.) December 2007 (Bush 43 / R) House - D / Senate - D

    3.) March 2001 (Bush 43 / R) House - R / Senate - R

    4.) July 1990 (Bush 41 / R) House - D / Senate - D

    5.) July 1981 (Reagan / R) House - D / Senate - D

    6.) January 1980 (Carter / D) House - D / Senate - D

    7.) November 1973 (Nixon / R) House - D / Senate - D

    8.) December 1969 (Nixon / R) House - D / Senate - D

    9.) April 1960 (Eisenhower / R) House - D / Senate - D

    10.) August 1957 (Eisenhower / R) House - D / Senate - D

    11.) July 1953 (Eisenhower / R) House - R / Senate - R

    12.) November 1948 (Truman / D) House - R / Senate - R

    The economy was in recession for 49 quarters from 1949-2013; 8 of these quarters were under Democrats, with 41 under Republicans.

    Our latest recession took place under the Republican administration of Donald Trump in 2020. Recovery took place under the Democratic Biden administration. We currently have full employment, job growth, and healthy spending by consumers.

    Within the next few months, while under investigation by the DOJ for sedition, Donald Trump is expected to announce his candidacy for President in the next few months.

    Question: Why in the world are Republicans expected to win control of Congress in November? Sheer ignorance? Americans vote against their interests? Party first, their own interests second?

    The economic history was provided by this source, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._...mocratic_and_Republican_presidents#Recessions
     
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    CNN reports, "Democrats this week have the chance to validate their monopoly on political power in Washington, create a legacy of true significance for President Joe Biden and even boost their hopes in daunting midterm elections in three months.

    "But first they must push a back-from-the-dead climate and health care initiative through the Senate using their tiny majority, notably by locking in the crucial vote of moderate Arizona Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, who has yet to sign off on a bill that may not save Democrats in November but may at least give them a big new win to run on.

    "Tensions are, meanwhile, soaring between the parties, especially over a Republican blockade of a bill that would fund health care for veterans sickened by exposure to burn pits during service in America’s foreign wars. The move opened up the GOP to accusations of cruelty – and, for once, Republican leader Mitch McConnell has looked outmaneuvered.

    "But there remains at least one huge question mark – the vote of Sinema, whose support is just as critical as Manchin’s in the 50-50 Senate. Like Manchin, she has opposed dismantling the Senate filibuster to pass other Democratic priority bills. She did help remodel Biden’s larger Build Back Better bill before Manchin blocked it last year. But now there are questions over whether she will back tax changes affecting private equity investors in the Manchin-Schumer compromise. As the 50th Democrat needed to pass the measure with Vice President Kamala Harris’ tie-breaking vote, Sinema has huge leverage to seek changes that threaten the bill’s fragile foundation, and she has so far avoided giving her verdict on the deal."

    Many are hopeful that Sinema will not destroy the Democrat's only chance in November. That she will do the right thing for the planet and the American people.

    Republicans will oppose the measure, saying it is inflationary, screw what is right for the planet and Americans.
     
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    The AP reports, "President Joe Biden on Monday confirmed that a U.S. drone strike in Afghanistan this weekend killed al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahri, declaring “justice has been delivered.”

    “This terrorist leader is no more,” Biden said in an evening speech from the White House.

    "Biden said U.S. intelligence officials tracked al-Zawahri to a home in downtown Kabul where he was hiding out with his family. The president approved the operation last week and it was carried out on Sunday.

    "A U.S. drone strike in Afghanistan this weekend killed Ayman al-Zawahri, who took over as al-Qaida leader after Osama bin Laden’s death in a U.S. raid. President Joe Biden was set to announce the killing Monday, delivering a significant counterterrorism win just 11 months after American troops left the country after a two-decade war.

    "Al-Zawahri’s loss eliminates the figure who more than anyone shaped al-Qaida, first as Osama bin Laden’s deputy since 1998, then as his successor. Together, he and bin Laden turned the jihadi movement’s guns to target the United States, carrying out the deadliest attack ever on American soil — the Sept. 11, 2001, suicide hijackings."
     
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    Joe's got this!
     
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    Don't guess, read it.
    (I would post a link, but it's a .pdf download)
     
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    Reuters reports, "Speaker Nancy Pelosi arrived in Taiwan late on Tuesday on a trip she said shows an unwavering American commitment to the Chinese-claimed self-ruled island, but China condemned the highest-level U.S. visit in 25 years as a threat to peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait.

    "Her arrival prompted a furious response from China at a time when international tensions already are elevated by Russia's invasion of Ukraine. China considers Taiwan part of its territory and has never renounced using force to bring it under its control. The United States warned China against using the visit as a pretext for military action against Taiwan.

    "China's foreign ministry said it lodged a strong protest with the United States, saying Pelosi's visit seriously damages peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait, "has a severe impact on the political foundation of China-U.S. relations, and seriously infringes upon China's sovereignty and territorial integrity."

    "Chinese warplanes buzzed the line dividing the Taiwan Strait before her arrival, and the Chinese military announced joint air and sea drills near Taiwan starting on Tuesday night.

    If China wasn't a major world power, this would be comical. The only reaction from China will be rhetoric.

    Chinese leaders are businessmen now, and China is major economic power. War is bad for business.

    China will do nothing. Why should she do otherwise?
     
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    It takes profound levels of gullibility to believe that the same irresponsible politicians will do what they promise with the money THIS TIME!
     
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    Arizona voters are going to the polls today to begin the process of selecting their next governor. Kari Lake is expected to win the Republican nomination.

    Lake told a far-right group in Anthem that she was “already detecting some stealing going on” in the election. Then she repeated it on the radio.

    “I’m telling you right now, anybody trying to steal this, first of all, we’re already detecting some stealing going on, but you guys know I’m a fighter, right?” she told the North Valley Constitutional Republicans. “You haven’t seen me when they try to steal something. I’m gonna go supernova radioactive. We’re not gonna let them steal an election.” https://www.azcentral.com/story/opi...back-up-her-claim-election-fraud/10215658002/

    It is very strange that Americans would support such a candidate. Worse, she has the endorsement of a former President of the United States.

    It would appear that Republicans are begging for an autocracy. Only an autocrat would say her loss would be the result of cheating.

    Republicans should be aware. They just might get what they wish for ... an autocratic government that is totally unconcerned about the rights and freedoms of its citizens.

    The problem is, many Trump Republicans would think that would be funny.
     
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    ABC reports, "American employers posted fewer job openings in June as the economy contends with raging inflation and rising interest rates.

    "Job openings fell to a still-high 10.7 million in June from 11.3 million in May, the Labor Department said Tuesday. Job openings, which never exceeded 8 million in a month before last year, had topped 11 million every month from December through May before dipping in June."

    Beats me what Americans are complaining about. Apparently, most are unaware that inflation is a by-product of prosperous times. Inflation would be licked by a recession, resulting in job losses and higher unemployment causing consumers to spend less. Recession is the only way inflation would subside. Is that what Americans want?

    In the meantime, Biden gets poor marks for his handling of the economy. That is confusing as well.

    ABC continued, "The job market has been resilient so far this year, and companies have complained that it is hard to fill open positions: Employers have added an average of 457,000 jobs a month in 2022; and unemployment is near a 50-year low. That is one reason many economists believe the economy is not yet in a recession."

    “If the economy is rolling over, the labor market had apparently not gotten the memo yet as of the end of June,'' said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at Amherst Pierpont Securities. “A case could be made for slight moderation from an egregiously overheated state, but that is about as far as I would go in assessing labor market conditions.''

    That is a proper assessment by an expert of our economic situation. Of course, it is the job of every Republican to be pessimistic about the American economy.

    It is equally obvious that, under the circumstances, if Republicans were in charge, they would be clamoring about how great the American economy is.
     
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    And you're the one who wants government to decide how all the money is spent.
     
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    If times were so prosperous, why can't they pay for all this stuff by raising taxes instead of printing money?

    Shouldn't it have been time to get rid of budget deficits?

    No, even if what you say were true, it still reveals bad government policy.
     
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    You can upload it to a free transfer site and post the link.

    Some of the ones I use are...

    Media Fire
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    Hope this helps.
     
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    Republicans are substantial favorites to take over the U.S. House of Representatives following this November’s midterm elections, but the U.S. Senate is much more competitive, according to FiveThirtyEight’s 2022 midterm election forecast.

    How ironic is that?

    Republicans may win control of Congress in November by keeping their mouths shut about what their party stands for!

    In the face of shooting massacres every week, the NRA sponsored Republican Party is strongly opposed to meaningful gun control and a ban on assault weapons.

    The Republican Party supports a former Republican President who, after being defeated by seven million votes, led a coup attempt to overthrow the elected government.

    Many Republicans running for office have gained Donald Trump's endorsement by claiming without evidence that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen from Trump. The endorsement was given to the favorites. So, many Trump endorsed candidates are winning. When running in the general, will these Republicans brag about Trump's endorsement and claim that Trump is our true President? We will see, but the Republican Party backs all of the fraudulent election candidates. They just don't talk about it.

    Neither do the candidates.

    Donald Trump is the leader of the Republican Party. He is expected to run for President in 2024. He is being investigated by a House committee for his actions in leading a coup attempt to overthrow our government.

    The leader of the Republican Party is also being investigated by the DOJ for alleged sedition.

    In the case of a pregnancy, the Republican Party supports government control of the woman's health.

    A Republican President, Trump, made it possible with three appointees to the Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs.Wade which caused the whole issue of abortion to be thrown into a country-wide convulsion involving all three branches of the federal government and wide-spread involvement by every state government.

    The Republican Party may win control of Congress by avoiding any mention of their positions on this important issues.

    Instead, they will talk about Biden, inflation, Harris, inflation, Hunter, inflation, the Biden recession, and, lastly, inflation.

    The difference is, Biden didn't cause the problems. It is equally obvious that, under the circumstances, if Republicans were in charge, they would be clamoring about how great the American economy is. (see post above)

    The Republican Party is solely responsible for their positions which they choose to ignore.


    It would be ironic if forum Republicans remain silent about the issues in this report. That has been their pattern on this thread.
     
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    And conservatives are commending what Nancy Pelosi did, even though they think she's wacko in so many other ways.
    (The Biden Administration is backtracking and saying her visit does not do anything to represent their position)

    Of course, this is kind of like an empty symbolic gesture. Doing things like simply visiting another country is not going to do anything to help protect it.
     
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    Plenty of gun control already exists.
    The truth is there is no gun control that would come close to being "meaningful" enough for you other than a near complete ban. But you can't be honest and admit that.

    And, despite the perception the media is trying to portray, the NRA really does not have much political influence over the Republican Party. It is a very small player.
    Planned Parenthood probably donates ten times more to politics than the NRA does.

    Well, to be fair, it was the legally correct decision.

    You know, Trump really did try to compromise with the Democrats and make some deals, but the Democrats made clear they weren't going to budge at all for him, so he came to realize there was nothing to be gained there. His only remaining political option was to throw his support wholeheartedly to the other opposite side.
    One could say Democrats were the ones who stupidly and unintentionally pushed him into that.

    The Democrats are very ideologically stubborn, but politically another problem was they were in a bind and couldn't allow Trump to be given anything that he could point to as a political accomplishment. Even if a deal might have been overall in their favor on the basis of policies, it would have given Trump more support and hurt their main strategy of trying to make him look bad.
     
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    Republicans are in trouble. The mid-terms could turn on one issue.

    Will voters support a candidate who supports government control of a woman's health when pregnancy is involved?

    The push to allow lawmakers to ban abortion in ruby-red Kansas backfired spectacularly.

    ABC reports, "In putting the issue before voters on a mid-summer primary day, conservatives in Kansas were banking on a low-turnout affair that would pave the way for an abortion ban in a reliably red state.

    "What they got instead was a lopsided loss that preserved the status quo yet also changed a whole swath of calculations about 2022.

    "The push to allow lawmakers to ban abortion in Kansas backfired spectacularly. It woke up suburban voters and even those in conservative parts of the state who didn't want to pursue something that was initiated by the Supreme Court.

    "It also brought an explosion of activism that Democrats hope carries them through to the fall -- in the few states where abortion will be directly on the ballot and the many more where the issue will be more indirectly at stake."

    Our President made it clear where he stands on the issue. He strongly supports a woman's right to be in total control of her health, not the state.

    It is surprising that independent minded Republicans favor state control of a woman's health in pregnancies. That seems very strange and inconsistent with conservative core beliefs.

    At any rate, ABC continued, "President Joe Biden on Wednesday signed an executive order that his administration says will help low-income people pay for abortion services if they have to travel out of state to obtain them.

    "The order, according to administration officials, paves the way for Medicaid to cover abortion-related costs for people who have traveled from states where their abortion is banned to states where it is not."

    "Today, I'm signing the second executive order that responds to the health care crisis that has unfolded since the Supreme Court overturned Roe [v. Wade] and that women are facing all across America," the President said at a White House event.
     

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