the federal reserve killed jfk

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  1. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    yep your definetely in serious denial here,80% of americans know the truth that it was a government conspiracy.they said THAT on the PBS when they were doing a propaganda piece that oswald was the lone assassin.keep being afraid of the truth,agent soupnazi loves you for doing that.when you read those books,you only read parts of it and what you WANTED to see obviously.
     
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    Kennedy wrote executive order 11110 to phase out silver certificate currency, not to issue more of it. Records show Kennedy and the Federal Reserve were almost always in agreement on policy matters. He even signed legislation to give the Fed more authority to issue currency.

    by Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C.

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    No evidence that YOU have ever seen supports these claims. The mainstream media is in bed with the banks and federal government so of course they won't bother to present evidence or really investigate and deliver the truth.

    To the op, I never thought about the heads on coins thing but it's an interesting point. After all my research in the past 4-5 years on how the USA has come to this point and who is responsible, I'd have to say you are pretty accurate in your short assessment that the bankers are responsible for all this chaos, as well as the assassination of JFK.

    Good luck getting the stupid sheep in this country to believe it though as the majority have been brainwashed by mainstream media.

    Ron Paul, I hope he wins, but I doubt he will. I'll vote for him and I'm trying to get my friends to vote for him too. If he does win, I bet we see him get assassinated by the banks too.
     
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    dujac Well-Known Member

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    evidence shows that jfk and the federal reserve were almost always in agreement on policy matters
     
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    You just contradicted yourself. Saying that things don't add up and then stating that it doesn't prove there is a conspiracy makes no sense.

    If things did add up there wouldn't be a conspiracy "theory" because we would have facts. We don't have all the facts so there are always going to be people presenting possible scenarios in order to solve the puzzle.

    To another poster, I have heard that one possible reason that Kennedy may have been assassinated is because he refused to go to war with Cuba. That one makes sense too if we look at current events. War makes the bankers and "defense" contractors money. It seems all the bankers want to do is complete their new world order agenda aka one world government. I believe that's what they are doing right now with Libya, Iraq Yemen and soon to be Syria because those are some of the last places that the banks are not in control of. Not to mention they are rich in oil. And of course I have also read that the opium has something to do with it.
     
  6. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    hearsay isn't reliable evidence
     
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    catalinacat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree completely - they never even gave Robert Kennedy a chance. And both of them never missed their shot, hit right on target. And then it was over. No more presidents taken out after that.
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    closing your eyes and covering your ears like you cause the truth scares you,of course you find it hearsay unreliable evidence.:nana:
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    you hit the nail right on the head.excellent post.well said.something I have noticed is many posters make up lies such as Kennedy decided to phase out silver currency,not to support it, to support their b.s claims that he was almost always in agreement with the federal reserve in their policys.thats the riot of the century because thats pure b.s and propaganda. his memo that Rfk drafted up which is why they killed his as well as everybody on this thread posting already knows, clearly shows he was at odds with them and that he was going to back our money with sliver.they shoot themselves in the foot and end up with egg on their face in embarrasment all the time though because some people who were around that day,were lucky enough to get some of the notes that were printed out before he died which was a few thousand or so that says UNITED STATES NOTES on them,not federal reserve notes that we have now.so they really need to give up all this b.s they post that the fed and JFK were on good terms with each other because thats just a plain outright lie and propaganda they make and yeah I wish Paul would get elected because he has the same visions that Kennedy had which of course is why he wont get elected,they will make sure of that.
     
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    dujac Well-Known Member

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    it's obvious my ears and eyes are wide open and i'm not scared of your bs, it's a joke

    kennedy's executive order 11110 phased out silver certificate currency and was in agreement with the federal reserve's monetary policy
     
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    nope they are closed as always and you lies as always also.if you read it,you would know he was in BIG odds with the fed.Not going to debate with someone who makes up lies to suit their version of events.unlike you,I have read it.
     
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    He always contradicts himself in his posts.yeah you hit the nail on the head in your last paragraph big time as well,that was one of the major reasons why they killed him was he would not go to war with cuba like they wanted him to and yeah the bankers want to complete their NWO agenda by invading Iraq,Yeman,Libya and yeah soon to be Syria.gives standing ovation.excellent post.
     
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    dujac Well-Known Member

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    how convenient, never the less here's the truth of the matter:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIyDvvmIRs8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIyDvvmIRs8[/ame]

    Presidential Executive Order 11110 is quite infamous among conspiracy buffs. Jim Marrs, author of Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, writes that the order instructs the Treasury secretary to issue about $4.2 billion in silver certificates as a form of currency in place of Federal Reserve Notes.1 Written by John F. Kennedy, Marrs also speculates this order was part of a larger plan by Kennedy to reduce the influence of the Federal Reserve by giving the Treasury more power to issue currency. The order was signed June 4, 1963. A few months later, of course, Kennedy was killed, and conspiracy theorists hypothesize a link between the murder and E.O. 11110. They argue that the Federal Reserve was somehow involved in the assassination to protect its power over monetary policy.

    The executive order modifies a pre-existing order issued by Harry Truman in 1951. E.O. 10,289 states "The Secretary of the Treasury is hereby designated and empowered to perform the following-described functions of the President without the approval, ratification, or other action of the President..." The order then lists tasks (a) through (h) which the Treasurer can now do without bothering the President. None of the powers assigned to the Treasury in E.O. 10,289 relate to money or to monetary policy. Kennedy´s E.O. 11110 then instructs that

    SECTION 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 9, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended (a) By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j): ´(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption,´ and (b) By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof.

    SECTION 2. The amendments made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue any may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.

    John F. Kennedy, THE WHITE HOUSE, June 4, 1963.

    To understand exactly what Kennedy´s order was trying to do, we must understand the purpose of the legislation which gave the order its underlying authority. The Agricultural Adjustment Act of May 12, 1933 (ch. 25, 48 Stat 51) to which Kennedy refers permits the President to issue silver certificates in various denominations (mostly $1, $2, $5, and $10) and in any total volume so long as the Treasury has enough silver on hand to redeem the certificates for a specific quantity and fineness of silver and that the total volume of such currency does not exceed $3 billion. The Silver Purchase Act of 1934 [ch. 674,48 Stat 1178] also grants this power to the Treasury Secretary subject to similar limitations. Nowhere in the text of the order is a quantity of money mentioned, so it is unclear how Marrs arrived at his $4.2 billion figure. Moreover, the President could not have authorized such a large issue because it would have exceeded the statutory limit.2

    As economic activity grew in the fifties and sixties, the public demand for low denomination currency grew, increasing the Treasury´s need for silver to back additional certificate issues and to mint new coins (dimes, quarters, half-dollars). However, during the late fifties the price of silver began to rise and reached the point that the market value of the silver contained in the coins and backing the certificates was greater than the face value of the money itself.2

    To conserve the Treasury´s silver needs, the Silver Purchase Act and related measures were repealed by Congress in 1963 with Public Law 88-36.

    Following the repeal, only the President could authorize new silver certificate issues, and no longer the Treasury Secretary. The law, signed by Kennedy himself, also permits the Federal Reserve to issue small denomination bills to replace the outgoing silver certificates (prior to the act, the Fed could only issue Federal Reserve Notes in larger denominations). The Treasury´s shrinking silver stock could then be used to mint coins only and not have to back currency. The repeal left only the President with the authority to issue silver certificates, however it did permit him to delegate this authority. E.O. 11110 does this by transferring the authority from the President to the Treasury Secretary.2

    E.O. 11110 did not create authority to issue new silver certificates, it only affected who could give the order. The purpose of the order was to facilitate the reduction of certificates in circulation, not to increase them. In October 1964 the Treasury ceased issuing them entirely. The Coinage Act of 1965 (PL 89-81) ended the practice of using silver in most U.S. coins, and in 1968 Congress ended the redeemability of silver certificates (PL 90-29). E.O. 11110 was never reversed by President Johnson and remained on the books until 1987 when there was a general cleaning-up of executive orders (E.O. 12,608, 9/9/87). However, by this time the remaining legislative authority behind E.O. 11110 had been repealed by Congress with PL 97-258 in 1982.2

    In summary, E.O. 11110 did not create new authority to issue additional silver certificates. In fact, its intention was to ease the process for their removal so that small denomination Federal Reserve Notes could replace them in accordance with a law Kennedy himself signed. If Kennedy had really sought to reduce Federal Reserve power, then why did he sign a bill that gave the Fed still more power?

    Marrs also makes some other factual errors in his conspiracy tale that suggest he is not very familiar with the Federal Reserve or the financial system. He writes that a source of tension between the Federal Reserve and the Kennedy Administration was the Treasury´s desire to allow banks to underwrite state and local government bonds, thereby weakening the "dominant" Federal Reserve banks. However, such a move, which was later permitted by Congress, would not have affected the Federal Reserve system because it had never been involved in underwriting bond issues. Marrs also claims that Kennedy signed a bill that changed the backing of small denomination currency from silver to gold to "add strength to the weakened U.S. currency." This is completely false. U.S. currency has not been on the gold standard since 1934, and silver certificates, as their name suggests, had never been redeemable in anything but silver. In addition, U.S. currency was not "weak" during Kennedy´s time: There had not been any significant inflation since the late forties, and the exchange rate value of the dollar was fixed according to the Bretton Woods agreement.

    In the introduction to his book, Marrs advises the reader not to trust his book. This appears to be good advice.

    References:

    1. Marrs, Jim (1989), Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy, New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers.

    2. Woodward, G. Thomas (1996), "Money and the Federal Reserve System: Myth and Reality," Congressional Research Service.


    source link:

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/weberman/jfk.htm
     
  14. Soupnazi

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    Actually you are wrong Oswald did miss one of his three shots and the odds of two brothers being murdered years apart are actually pretty good especially if they are public figures.
     
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    How does that contradict myself?

    I don't understand the incident with Sylvia Odio - it makes absolutely no sense in the context of the assassination, unless Odio was lying.

    But, my lack of understanding doesn't prove a conspiracy - it's nothing more than an unsolved mystery of the assassination.

    This is reality, not CSI, NCIS, or Law and Order - things don't always neatly add up, and all loose ends are tied up.

    If 95% of the assassination adds up, and 5% doesn't - it doesn't necessarily mean there was a conspiracy. To my way of thinking - 95% is "beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty".

    BTW - FWIW... After Jim Marrs wrote Crossfire, - his first, last, and only book on the JFK assassination - he found a better topic to use his investigative journalism talents on...

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    three farts in a row after this post.of course its no surprise,thats all posters can do is troll and make up lies all the time when they know they are defeated like they always get everytime in all their posts here all the time here as they all know.:bounce::bounce: yep
     
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    No I am not wrong - I did not say they got him with the first shot. I said they both got their targets and took them out.

    And it is strange - two brother politicans being taking out no matter how many years apart. I wasn't aware of a war on brother politicians back then. :ignore:

    Unless of course the fact that yes Bobby did have the same idealogy of his brother. So of course they had to be eliminated.

    No, the odds should not be good for two brother politicans being taken out. If you believe it, than that means you go with the OP's theory.
     
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    notice how many of my posts contain references to valid information sources

    yours consist mostly of inane drivel
     
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    Government evidence, with parts still locked up in archive.

    You like me, do not know who killed JFK.
     
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    i'm 99.99999999% certain that the federal reserve had nothing to do with it
     
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    Yes we do know , it was Oswald.

    Government evidence is still evidence and there is no evidence to refute that conclusion.

    Yes the government keeps secrets but that also proves nothing.

    The available evidence is overwhelming
     
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    Brothers are killed all the time ask any street thug or gangster.

    The fact that they are successful politicians merely makes it a certainty that they have enemies. You win an election you make enemies, it is that simple. The more you win the more enemies you have. Having more enemies by definition makes it more likely someone will ATTEMPT to kill you. Both the Kennedy brothers were successful politicians which by definition means more people hated them. Having the same ideology does not indicate a conspiracy but once again shows that more people will hate them and be willing to kill them.

    This is why many presidents and governor and other politicians have been targets of assassinations even if unsuccessful.

    This is not belief just simple common sense.
     
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    BTW yes your exact words were that " they never missed their shots " Oswald did in fact miss one.
     
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    Yup, gov suppressed all evidence that did not fit the Oswald killed JFK theory.

    Though I do believe the shots could be made from the TSBD, there is no way in hell a single shot that allegedly hit JFK in the back, exited his neck and then hit Connally.

    You can chew on that until the cows come home...it didn't happen.
     
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    The government simply did not suppress any such evidence as you claim they in fact pursued all evidence they could find where ever it led them that is fact.

    Not only are you wrong about the bullet passing through Kennedy and hitting Connally but the laws of physics prove you wrong.

    High powered rifle bullets often do pass completely through a human body and continue to travel at high velocities. Any bullet fired through Kennedy's upper back from behind would have no where else to go EXCEPT Connally's back since that was what was right in front of Kennedy.

    No magic no strange physics just a simple normal ballistic path of an small object traveling at speeds greater than the speed of sound ( a rifle bullet )

    Nothing to chew on here just corrections for your mistakes
     

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