lies as usual from him,there isnt a shread of evidence as he already knows,that oswald fired the fatal shot. if you can stand it,ask him why the two ladys in the book despository insisted the warren commission altered their testimonys they gave when they were going down the stairs immediately after the shots were fired.the commission altered their timeframes they gave them because they knew he would have to pass them if they did not.
Based on the evidence they had after the WCR was concluded, I doubt they would have gotten a conviction of Oswald had he gone to trial. At some point around the time of the shooting Oswald realized he was being setup and bugged out, disrupting whatever plans made by the organizers. Ruby was probably plan "B" or "C"
not only do we have the two ladys insisting that their testimonys were altered by the warren commission,other witnesses said so as well which itself is a crime the commission members should have gone to jail for.duh. and open and shut case that that oswald was innocent and it was a homegrown plot below. so much for the lone nut theorists theory that oswald fired the rilfe.as I said before,a photograph taken 30 seconds before the assassination of the sixth floor window shows no rifle,and no man in it.Like he said,they fail. Here's your problem...you have to prove he was on the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:25 CST and that he fired the weapon. Paraffin test on Oswald's face and cheeks were negative...indicating he did not fire the rifle. You continue to fail.... then there is this- As anyone knows, prints on a murder weapon on not conclusive evidence. The weapon WAS oswalds, so yes, his prints were on it, that doesn't mean he fired it at the president. He was a patsy from the beginning, do you think the one's behind Kennedy's assassination wouldn't make sure his prints were on the gun? and then there is THIS as well- Close to his neck doesn't work... there was a HOLE in JFK's back and a hole in JFK's neck, not in his back and a hole his chest. You really need to understand the laws of physics... As a matter of FACT...HERE is how the Warren Report got around this problem...they LIED. Warren Commission Exhibits CE385 and CE386 It's not about a conspiracy, it is about the truth. If the evidence supported Oswald as the lone assassin, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it doesn't. yep thats what the lone nut theorists do when confronted with truth just like he said below. gave you plenty of evidence that you wouldn't or couldn't address. You ignored it, ran and hid, and then you QUIT...I didn't try to belittle you... BTW. I already KNOW what the Warren Commission said. But you are unable to explain ANY of the discrepancies. You won't even listen to what 2 subsequent government investigations concluded... so much for the THEORY that oswald fired the rifle.lol We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle. No one has been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand." —Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry, quoted by United Press International, November 5, 1969 as usual,the nazi troll FAILS!!!!! and of course will do this and this when he see this evidence he knows he cant refute.yep. also,like this poster said and proved through these videos on this thread,open and shut case rifle found on 6th floor was not oswalds. http://www.politicalforum.com/jfk/193550-open-shut-testimony-oswalds-gun-not-6th-floor.html
Wrong it is not circumstantial. His rifle is physical evidence not circumstantial. The expended shell cases are physical evidence not circumstantial. His prints on both are physical proof not circumstantial. The expended bullets matched to his rifle are physical proof not circumstantial. The evidence against him is overwhelming and in fact more than what is found in many murder convictions.
Wrong not lies but fact and they did not alter the timeline at all those ladies descended the stairs at a different time than Oswald and never claimed otherwise.
You obviously know little about trial law. The evidence against him was in fact more (*)(*)(*)(*)ing than many other capitol murder cases which get convictions beyond any doubt.
You cannot even name the two witnesses and no they did not insist their testimony was altered this is something you " heard " somewhere and know nothing about. No other credible witnesses have made such a claim either but even if they had they cannot prove it ergo no crime. Sorry you need more than a claim by some obscure person to prove a crime. Actually the photographs taken of the TBSD were shot several minutes before the assassination not 30 seconds. The limo was in the plaza at the time you claim and no one was snapping pictures of the building at that time. Paraffin tests are not reliable or used as evidence. The FBI itself stated as much. In fact such tests can only be reliably used one way to prove that someone fired a weapon IMMEDIATELY after doing so before the suspect has a chance to rub or wash off the residue. Oswald had ample time to do both rendering such a test irrelevant. You obviously know nothing about criminal law. Think of this for a second how often do you hear prosecutors or investigators asking a suspect for an alibi? Do you know WHY they ask for an alibi? Because they have evidence someone was there but in your terms cannot prove it. The evidence places Oswald there specifically his weapon. Claiming someone COULD have placed his prints on it is idiotic you have to prove who this someone was and that they did and you have no such evidence. Until you do the evidence stands against Oswald just as it would against anyone in any murder case. I never said close as you claim I stated a hole in his back and another in his neck which line up when he is place in a seated position. He was shot at a downward angle and those holes are consistent with this. The failure here is yours you cannot prove that the WC lied or even offer circumstantial evidence that they did you cannot point to one part of the book which is a lie especially since you have never read it. Your quotes which are taken out of context are meaningless and do not address the evidence just as you do not. You are better at being a troll than you are at debating you have no clue what you are talking about. You and others have yet to explain which law of physics the WC got wrong or what that law of physics says or how they broke it. The failure here is strictly yours.
Yes, physical evidence is the key, and JFK assassination has plenty of that. You have two different head wounds to choose from, three different back wounds to choose from, take your pick. You can ask Lawyers and there are cases were physical evidence doesn't prove the case, O.J. Simpson and Casey Anthoney come to mind, I think in those cases the term was, overwhelming evidence!
If your counting entrance and exit wounds then sure you have two head wounds. You do not have 3 back wounds you have one and only one. The argument here is whether there is a conspiracy and the fact is a mountain of evidence proves one guy committed the crime while no evidence suggests anyone else helped him or was involved.
six of these done since my last post.lol. ar10 since you are the only intelligent poster that has posted on this thread in the last two pages, and the only one that doesnt troll,could you reply to that last post of mine? I want to listen to someone who speaks intelligently and doesnt only see what they WANT to see and doesnt just ramble on senselessly and avoid evidence and facts.
Nope. Since your last post you have been debunked and proven wrong with facts and evidence which you are in denial of you. You have it backwards.
it's not a truthful message Kennedy wrote executive order 11110 to phase out silver certificate currency, not to issue more of it. Records show Kennedy and the Federal Reserve were almost always in agreement on policy matters. He even signed legislation to give the Fed more authority to issue currency. by Edward Flaherty, Ph.D. Department of Economics College of Charleston, S.C. http://hidhist.wordpress.com/banksters/debunking-the-federal-reserve-conspiracy-theories-and-other-financial-myths
I am deeply troubled by the murder of our President. So many factual problems abound in this case. Yes Oswald owned a rifle. Yes it was most likely ordered from a mail order catalogue in the office of a parking garage around the corner of guy banisters office in New Orleans. However, this is not the weapon found by Dallas police after the shooting. The weapon found was a Mouser. It was clearly identified as a Mouser. In fact, a Mouser would have been a much better choice in rifle makes for such a shot. Oswald rode to work with a coworker that testified Oswald had a package no longer than 24". Far too short to be Oswalds riffle. This forum has no soul, because no one seems to be moderator for it. Knife jabs, name calling, trash talk is everywhere. No good person will stay and work here. The place needs cleaned up. Someone pin a badge on me and watch me bring back good posters again.
There is no proof the bullet found on the stretcher went through JFK and Connally. When investigators arrived at the 6th floor, and began to search for shooter, they found 3 casings laying side by side near the window. I have done enough shooting with bolt guns to know that casings don't fall at your feet next to each other. If anybody had fired a bolt gun from that window in the time alloted, those casings would had not been recoverd in the setting they were found. Watch any video of someone trying to reproduce the event with same weapon and watch those casings arc away and to the rear, in varying distances from 5 feet to 15. The rifle found in the TSBD was a Mauser, how it turned into a M Carcano is anybodies guess. The tested lead sample from the Magic bullet and some of the fragments allegedly from JFKs head were considered unreliable, but close enough for the WC.
BS...you have no idea what info Oswald had. He got burned and would have spilled the beans on the conspiracy, and that is why Ruby killed him.
There is nothing whatsoever to suggest that Oswald ordered his rifle from a parking garage in fact there is no such garage and was no such parking garage across from Guy Bannister's office which also happens to be an office where Oswald never set foot. People generally do not fill out mail order forms in a parking garage especially when they have no car to park. Yes this was the same weapon found by the Dallas police. It was in fact too officers working on the investigation who initially misidentified the weapon as a Mauser. Their names were Seymour Weitzman and Luke Mooney. Both officers quickly admitted their mistake in mis-identification which is easy to do since the Carcano and Mauser are similar in appearance and need to be studied with a little detail to tell apart. This is evidence of nothing except that people can confuse the two weapons easily. The weapon found however was proven to be Oswald's Carcano complete with his print on it. Buell Frazier was the employee who drove Oswald to work that day and he initially ESTIMATED the length of the bag at ABOUT 27 inches long while readily admitting that he did not look closely at it and it easily could have been several inches longer. This bad was the one found in the depository and was examined. Fibers were found in the bag which were positively matched to a blanket which Oswald used to wrap the rifle in while storing it In Ruth Paine's garage. Estimates are estimates for a reason , few people will look at a paper wrapped object and measure it with a ruler to determine it's precise length which is why Frazier estimated. There is no doubt it was the bag which Oswald used to smuggle his dis-assembled rifle into the depository. Try reading some facts and do not just limit yourself to conspiracy theory videos.
Rifle casings will bounce around as you claim but you ignore that he had a nest made of boxes which surrounded him. Side by side can be mean many things and all three casings were found in random positions several inches apart the fact that they likely bounced off of the boxes surrounding him demonstrates why they could just as easily land as they were found. If you were implying that they were found in some neat precise pattern you are simply wrong. The rifle found was a Carcano in fact it was Oswald's Carcano with a paper trail proving his ownership. The Mauser and Carcano rifle are cosmetically very similar and the officers who found this weapon quickly admitted their mistake upon closer examination which is an easy mistake to make and proof of nothing. The tests done on the fragments were in fact very reliable and good enough for any prosecution you are simply wrong again they were positively matched to Oswald's weapon. Now as to the bullet found on a stretcher lets see here. Two men with multiple wounds which line up. No bullet found in their wounds but a bullet found on the stretcher occupied by one and that bullet shows damage and loss of mass consistent with having been fired through both men. Yep thats proof.
Actually yes we do have a very very good idea of what information Oswald had which is ZERO. He had two days of intensive and lengthy questioning by the Secret Service, The FBI the Dallas Police, the Dallas D.A. And he revealed.............NOTHING. Ruby had years to spill what he knew but maintained that he was part of no conspiracy until he died. Then there is this little inconvenience. Oswald had been in Dallas police detention for two days wearing the same clothes. Before leading him out for transfer, in view of the media, the Dallas PD permitted him to change clothes and get cleaned up. He tried on a tan sweater, studied his own appearance momentarily then changed to the navy blue sweater you see him wearing when he was led out to the garage. This consumed several minutes. In the meantime Ruby was visiting Western Union where he wired money to one of his dancers. We know this because he had a receipt for this money found on his person when he was arrested and it was time stamped only minutes before he appeared in the garage and shot Oswald and furthermore he had to walk some blocks to get from the telegraph office to the police station. Ruby was able to kill Oswald because the two men independently made decisions which caused their paths to cross at a specific point in time allowing Ruby to take his shot. Had either man done anything even a little different for example had Oswald not changed sweaters Ruby would have missed his opportunity. So either Oswald was in on the conspiracy to silence himself ( as in "oh it's a little too early I better stall for time so Ruby can shoot me" ) or it was random chance. There was no conspiracy and Ruby's motives were explained by uuuhhhhh ruby and they stand unchallenged. And of course there is no evidence of any conspiracy.
Wrong again because it would have been smarter for him to immediately start telling them anything to protect himself even shouting it out at the media as her was walked by them many times. The guy was not even smart enough to finish high school. Your argument holds no water.
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But smart enough at 17 to get radar training, security clearance and an assignment at Atsugi Air Base in Japan, the CIA's main station of operation in the Far East. He also spoke Russian. The only thing not holding water is the WC report
I'm not counting exits wounds- autopsy- enterance wound at the occipital protubrance, HSCA-4" higher in the parietal area, you know what I'm talking about. JFK autopsy- backwound at at about the third thoracic vertebrae T3, WC-base of the neck ( around the first thoracic vertabrae T1, C7) - HSCA- cervical vertabrae C6. If the single bullet didn't cause all the wounds to JFK and Gov. Connally, then there had to be another shot, and since the shooter couldn't have made the shots in the FBI estimated time for firing a shot from the rifle, then there had to be another shooter and a conspiracy, As you can see they did alot of minipulating to make JFK and Gov. Connally's wounds line up. The argument isn't if there was a conspiracy, the argument should be, why they conspired to cover it up.
He never had a security clearance. Atsugi was a large joint service Air base with Marines and Air Force and he never had any access to the CIA's sector of the base. His radar training involved basic soldering and replacing burnt out fuses. The WC report not only holds water you cannot point out any lies found within it. They ahd evidence the conspiracy theorists do not.
