The Futility of the Search For Extraterrestrial Intelligence

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  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I agree with this assumption. I am by no means an Astrobiologist or anything like that. All things space related have simply been a lifelong hobby of mine. But I too feel it is extremely, for lack of better words, "arrogant" of us humans to believe that what WE need for survival is universal throughout the cosmos. Or even what other species on our planet need.

    I am not trying to discredit those professionals in this field who may believe otherwise, but in my opinion once we strip everything down to the basics the reality is that we only have a sample size of 1, which is our own planet. We obviously look for planets that look like ours because we only know of one planet that can sustain life definitively which is our own. But to think that a planet like our own, or even conditions similar to conditions here on Earth are REQUIRED to sustain life is just the modern version of human centric ideology to me.

    Plus even if we stick to our own requirements for life the Universe is absolutely full of those components as you said. I know that as humans capable of cognitive thought we like to believe ourselves special in some way, but once one understands the sheer SIZE of the cosmos and all that it entails I find it virtually impossible that our little random planet is the only one in the entire Universe with life on it.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    What if Fred Saberhagen's "Berserkers" actually exist?

    They are one of the more alarming answers I can think of to the Fermi Paradox. Where are they? they're all dead, killed by the Berserkers. And the only reason we haven't found anyone else yet is that the fact we haven't is the reason we're still alive to be asking the question.

    It's the fatality of the search for extraterrestrial life, not the futilty. Maybe we'd best just shut up.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Sorry about the bad link, can't figure what's wrong but try this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker_(novel_series)
     
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    1. Earth is NOT "random," as you said. It is very special as explained in many books including Rare Earth by Ward and Brownlee.

    2. Your opinion as to what is "virtually impossible" is quite immaterial.

    3. If you understood the complexity involved, you would agree with brilliant scientists who say humans are something of a miracle. We can't begin to create new species of flies or bacteria in labs after spending hundreds of millions of dollars, much less abiogenesis. And this isn't primordial soup in the sunlight either. It's learned biochemists and biologists doing their best with all that they know, which is a very great deal more than you know.

    Douglas Axe has stated that a polypeptide 150 amino acids in length yields only 1 functional sequence in 10 to the 77th different combinations. And that is a small polypeptide. It gets worse beyond staggering imagination. Titin has 34,350 amino acids in its sequence. It's in your muscles.
     
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    I don't know what you mean by "create new species in a lab", but let's remember that speciation has been witnessed in lab conditions.

    And, whether humans can construct a living orgnism from some sort of raw maerial or parts is interesting, but failure to do so isn't proof of anything other than where we are in biology today.
     
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    It is almost always about money.
     
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    cerberus said:
    The charlatans er, I mean the cosmologists will still (ostensibly?) keep on looking for it though. Well they need the proverbial 'research funding' to keep on pouring in so they can continue their lucrative jobs-for-life don't they!

    Carl Sagan said in one of his books that about 10% of people believe our sun is alive.
    I also heard that 10% of Americans think Elvis is still alive.
    Look at the huge number who revel in every lie from CNN, MSNBC, The View, and all the other liars.

    "There's a sucker born every minute."
     
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