The GOP Plan is the Biggest Tax INCREASE in American History, By Far

I think he's pretending he's rich.

 

Yes, you quoted me. Good job.

 

So you're telling me that my taxes won't go up because the bill might be changed in the future?

Whoopie.

 

No. 80% of the tax benefit goes to the top 1%. The tax cuts afforded to the rich are more permanent.

 

The only way you are going to cut taxes for most of us, is by cutting payroll taxes. Do you support that, Yes or No?

The rich seldom pay increased taxes, I doubt they will pay these tax increases either.

 

The rich don't get any increased taxes from this bill. That's the point.

 

So you admit SS is NOT a guaranteed benefit..............thank you.

 

So do you want to cut those benefits in order to make it even what each state contributes and what each state receives else what is your point?

 

You said THIS bill, show me the text in this bill that increases your taxes in 2027? Show me the text that prohibits a replacement bill or an extension of this bill. Convince me you have voted for Republicans such that there would be enough of them to have made the rate cuts permanent. Convince me you will be voting for Republicans in the future in order to make them permanent.

 

No. My point is that blue states do not need to pay more money in order to pay their fair share.

 

The cuts expire in THIS BILL in 2027. THIS BILL would require adjustment or a new bill in order for those tax cuts to not expire. THIS BILL was written with that expiration because the deficit would have increased too much for THIS BILL to pass using reconciliation.

 

Tell the guys whining up a storm over the limitations to deductions that affect only the more affluent. Looks like you guys have colliding narratives.... again!

 

Yup. Just like the annual AMT extension that has been going on for how many presidential terms? Just like the deferral on the new medical reimbursement schedule for Social Security, that has been oging on , for how many years? Your virgin act is kinda cute.

Yup. Tell me about how this trickery astounds you and outrages you, to your inner core.

 

The bill expires. Show me where the bill itself raises your taxes. It does not. Show me where the bill prohibits a new bill or an extension of the bill. And convince me you have voted for Republicans such that there would be enough of them to have made the rate cuts permanent. Convince me you will be voting for Republicans in the future in order to make them permanent.

 

then if red states are so good of taking care of themselves why dont they help the blacks in their states.

still overlooking the amount of poverty republicans i see.

 

Again, your ignorance of the very thing your debating is showing. You keep talking about "investing" without understanding what the floor even is.

Your analogy of loosing your money is the very same as if you have money in a private vehicle. SS allows your benefits to go to surviving spouses' and children (under certain circumstances). But the core of SS is that floor. SS removes the risk almost completely. If you invest in a private vehicle, that risk s much greater, and you have the risk of loosing it all. SS protects society against you loosing everything and then becoming a burden on that very society.

 

just WOW.....you keep pushing the same crap, after being told time and time again where you are just WRONG

The Obama Deficits were based on him paying for war spending. And the original projections showed the war lasting longe than Bush had put in his budgets. Obama not only had that to contend with, he actually accounted for the spending that Bush and the republican legislatures had already approved, but didn't put on the books.

The republican tax bill was a JOKE in that it said yet again, "these tax breaks will pay for themselves". It is those "projections" that kept their own "deficits" lower. Its political accounting.

You don't like the CBO because you don't like what they said. But the fact that Obama inherited known debt based on the republican tax cuts from the the previous administration flat out proves that tax cuts don't pay for themselves.

 

Again, you come back to this innane point that it is somehow wrong to claim that this bill raises taxes because this bill could change in the future.

There are parts of the bill that are written as permanent. And yet, even those parts could change in the future. There is nothing permanent about any part of the law in the United States - even the US Constitution can be amended.

But this law, as it is written is the largest tax increase in US history.

 

YOU talk about investing, go back and read your own post. I can only invest what I have left over after SS takes it's BIG bite.

I am single and my children are grown, when I die all those contributions I have made are for naught.

No it doesn't, the government could go broke and not be able to meet those obligations. The government could simply pass a bill telling me to go take a hike. They can raise the age at which you can begin receiving benefits as they have already done.

There is NO GUARANTY with Social Security. I CAN invest in products that DO give me such guaranties.

 

Ahhh those poor blacks who disproportionately live in Southern red states who like nationwide are disproportionately poor vote about 98% Democrat. And those red states have to bear the burden of that which blue states do not. So if you want to stop federal subsistence to poor blacks in order to equalize that then say so else what is your point?

 

Please, for the love of god turn off fox news

The republican tax plan lowers the rates, and those rates reductions expire in 2027. The Problem is that they also took away deductions and breaks used by the middle class, but made those PERMANENT. That in itself says that in 2027 there will be an increase over what you pay today.

NOW, you already have Ryan talking about the debt, and how we have to bring deficits down, right after they just added a trillion to that deficit. Now you think they are going to create bigger deficits by making those cuts permanent, or do you think they will suddenly adhere to rhetoric and become true deficit hawks.......hmmmm, which ones will it be when ots the poor that their legislating....hmmm, who would it be......

 

So after the collapse of 2008, who do you think has the bigger chance of going broke..........

SS is guaranteed by law.......

Please show me one private investment deal that GUARANTEES you a return......

 

so now it is about their votes, figures your whole argument is about political ideology.

 

What do you mean going broke? All those stocks I was buying while the market was low are worth LOTS of money now.

No it is not and I have already posted the SCOTUS decisions otherwise.

Where did I claim there was one but you can buy a contractual annuity. Show me the SS law that guarantees a benefit and says the Congress can never change that benefit.

 

Please stop listening to MSNBC and Democrat propaganda.

AGAIN the bill expires and there is nothing to prevent it being extended or replaced with a new bill, you are falling for Democrat scare tactics.

Spare me the CBO and OMB projections which are historically inaccurate. And that trillion projection is over TEN YEARS. Democrat policies produced a ONE TRILLION FOUR HUNDRED BILLION deficit in just ONE YEAR and kept it over ONE TRILLION for the next THREE YEARS. That's FOUR TRILLION FOUR HUNDRED BILLION IN in just FOUR YEARS.

Now did you vote for Republicans who were fighting those increases? Are you going to vote for Republicans so the tax rates in this bill can be made permanent? Or are you going to support Democrats who are forcing the sunset clause?