The GOP Senators are the Cowards of the Country IMO!

Correct. It doesn't matter what the motives of the House are, right or wrong the House has the exclusive power to impeach.

Again, Trump has NO rights in his role as a state actor. As long as Trump does not violate the Constitution he has the power to defend the actions of which he is being charged using witnesses and evidence. He does not have any power to override the House, which as you agree and is undisputed, is granted the exclusive power to impeach. He has the power to defend his actions both during the impeachment process and the Senate trial. These are his LIMITATIONS.

 

He has the rights to all legal avenues of defense afforded any other citizen.
The house never compelled him, so he overrode nothing

 

Actually YOU are wrong. The Constitution does not grant rights to anyone. The Constitution grants powers and privileges to state actors. You are conflating a constitutional process with rights protected to persons, not to state actors in their role as state actors. They are not one and the same. The impeachment process is strictly between the 3 branches of the US government with the judiciary acting as the arbitrating body. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

Constitutionally protected rights are for all citizens.
Granting governmental powers does not void rights of the participants

 

There are no "constitutional rights" despite the mythology, there are constitutionally protected rights. There is a difference.

The "participants" in this case are state actors under Articles I, II and III, not ordinary persons. They can only act within the powers granted by the Constitution. I understand this is a difficult concept for you. Trump has constitutionally protected rights as an ordinary person outside of his role as a state actor but within his role as President, it is not the same thing. In any case, what are you trying to defend, Trump's actions in obstructing the House?

 

I think both major parties put their party way above the nation. There was no suspense at all in either the house or the senate in how this would turnout. The Democrats were bound and determine to try to get rid of Trump by hook or crook and the Republicans were, by hook or crook going to keep him.

This, much like Bill Clinton's was a one party impeachment. One party for impeachment and removal, one party against. Only the parties switched for and against, did a 180. Each party protects their own.

Impeachment and removal won't work unless it's an America as a whole thing and not just a one party affair. The Democrats should have learned that lesson from Bill Clinton's impeachment. Now Nixon's was more of America as a whole and not a single party. Although Nixon resigned before he could be impeached.

I think each major party becomes so enhanced, entrenched with their own stances and views on things, they don't take what the country thinks as a whole ever into consideration. Each tends to ignore everything and everybody who thinks a bit different or wants something different. In plain English, both major parties are full of themselves. This is one reason independents have grown from 30% in 2006 up to 40% plus today while both major parties have shrunk. Neither will ever acknowledge someone else might have a different point of view on things. Each major party is always right while everyone else is always wrong. Both belong on the trash heap of history as far as I'm concerned.

 

I edited my post to reflect that prior to you posting your response

Further, you have a little problem with the separation of powers written in the constitution.
One would need a judge to compel the executive to produce the witnesses the Dems wanted, given the president's power of executive privilege.

 

Did you footnote Bob0267 with your post?

Further the president has the power of executive privilege. The Dems needed a judge to compel him, which the incompetent boobs failed to do

 

How so? So far you've shown it's you who has that problem. Not to mention you don't understand the difference between rights and powers.

First, the House's power to impeach is exclusive to Article I and is not subject to override by either Article II or Article III per the 10th Amendment. If that were true impeachment would be a worthless power.

Second, the House's power to impeach is EXPLICIT, it is NOT theoretical, controversial or debatable.

Third, Executive Privilege is not found anywhere in the Constitution, it is therefore strictly an invention created by the Executive and supported by SCOTUS. But even if such a power exists, it cannot override an exclusive and explicit power granted to Article I, otherwise and again, it would cancel out the House's power to impeach and that makes no sense.

Fourth, the Executive branch is mandated by Oath to comply with the power of the House to impeach, otherwise it is obstruction and a clear violation of the Constitution.

Fifth, the Judicial branch (Article III), has absolutely no role in the constitutionally granted power of the House to conduct an impeachment investigation.

Again, you cite nothing to support your misguided theories. Your hopes and prayers amount to nothing within the Constitution. I can cite every single clause within the Constitution that supports all the above.

 

I replied to him. Reading difficulties? and you didn't address separation of powers and executive privilege

 

already addressed, You can't read

power to impeach does not grant power to override the constitution during the process of impeachment

the power to impeach does not grant unlimited power in how impeachment takes place

judged to be constitutional, therefore part of the constitution

comply within the law, in which executive privilege exists

it doesn't. But it does rule when legal disputes between parties arise.

already refuted

 

refuted.
the president enjoys executive privilege and you therefore need a judge to compel him. jokes on you

 

Agreed!

BTW thanks for that twitter link.

Did you see this one in that thread?

https://twitter.com/Jeanius243/status/1144200651855056896

Free MAGA hats in a Walmart Bathroom in Chareston.

 

We the People deserve to see BOTH the criminal IMPOTUS lose AND the GOP Senate lose enough seats to flip!

 

During impeachment trump loses his rights. And your not a squid just a toady for Trump

 

Sherrod Brown is the Senator from Ohio!



HE upheld his Oath of Office to PROTECT the Constitution from those seeking to destroy it from within!

 

Me too which is why I started this thread.

Unfortunately the criminal IMPOTUS now has the power to flaunt Congress thanks to the feckless GOP Senators.

Neither of them can be trusted and MUST be removed from office by We the People.

 

Duplicate

 

Agreed!

We need a political REBOOT so we can start afresh. Throw out the Establishment TRASH from both parties and only elect those what will actually represent We the People instead.

 

Cowards of the country? Isn't that an old Kenny Roger's song?

 

Show me where it says word for word in the constitution that the president retains his citizens powers during impeachment. It has to be word for word and it must specifically pertain to and mention the word Impeachment in that aticle You don't have jack! You've got nothing.

 

Better yet, show where he loses them.

While you're at it, show where the congress is granted the power to override separation of powers and executive privilege.

 

Glad your opinion doesn't count for much.

 

You've refuted nothing. You don't know your butt from a hole in the ground when it comes to impeachment. That's why you keep running away from me

 

It counted enough to bother you!