The GOP's new incredibly stupid idea on overtime pay.

Who are these idiots working for?

 

THE OPTION! Do you know what an option is?...............as opposed to mandatory? This would give working Mom's THE OPTION to spend time needed with her kids instead of working but still getting paid. What's the problem with that?

 

If its good nuff for government employess it should be good enough for me. Its not like its forced on anyone.How its a way for businesses to skimp on overtime pay is beyond me since its just an option not a mandate.

 

The workers who choose the comp time, will pay FAR LOWER TAXES for their overtime, than those paid OT pay, as the government currently PUNISHES THOSE WHO WORK OT.

 

ANOTHER dream giveaway by Republicans to their pet businesses.

In this world of our most "responsible" corporate predators casually using bankruptcy as "just another business strategy tool", imagine the number of businesses that will build up huge banks of unpaid employee overtime, and then go out of business to to pocket the MILLIONS, and even then to simply change the name and open up debt free!

And there is NO such thing as an "option" in this kind of thing! If an employee says he wants the pay instead of some kind of a PHONY PROMISE of time off "SOMEDAY", the worker will simply be on the street looking for a new job!

What is most hilarious here is the Republicans at Righties right here on PF have SCREAMED and MOANED over those public sector workers who banked their "days off" for decades, and the incredible resentment the Righties have with giving these dedicated people the pay that had earned 20 YEARS ago!

This law wouldn't be in place a week before Republicans were limiting it, putting expiration limits, making sure the banked time was not subject to the same preferences worker's regular paychecks get! And think of the BILLIONS workers would lose when all the THOUSANDS of places like Enron, Lehman Bros, banks, large chains and others simply DISAPPEARED when times got bad, as their owners and managers took the money and RAN!

This concept is a DISASTER-IN-WAITING in the private marketplace, just another monster ripoff of working people who will have no choice but to knuckle under to these pirates.

 

The problem is how optional it actually is. Let's be clear here: if a bill is touted as "good for workers" and seems on its face to be good for workers, but workers' rights groups are squicked out by it, something is not right.

 

I'm not seeing the problem. Now if it was forced or mandatory then yeah but that's not the case.

 

In that case, its almost always the workers 'rights' groups that are totally wrong.

 

"Oh noez... I have more freedom balancing my time and options between work and home..."

WTF is wrong with liberals?

 

What jackass workers "rights" groups are we talking about?

 

"The choice already exists in the public sector"

Seems like its not a new idea ~

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"The choice already exists in the public sector"

Instead of ranting about Republicans why dont you actually read the article and then discuss it like this forum is all about.....

 

lemme understand this

politicians think they should enact a law mandating to private businesses that they should offer flex time. If getting time off instead of OT is something you as an employee want then discuss with your employer or change jobs if you can't get it. We don't need the govt involved in this

Mr Horse, what do you think of this idiotic idea from DC?

[video=youtube;R6Mj1Us13Yk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6Mj1Us13Yk[/video]

 

Do Democrats oppose everything Republicans want to do, just because they want to do it?

 

The right constantly (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es about govt employees doing this....so now they suggest it for the private sector?!?

 

OF COURSE progressive punks would whine about this....they wan't government mandated "living wages", overtime, AND paid, accumulated time off for personal days and "sick days" to recuperate from their hangovers...

 

The problem is many of the working poor depend on what little overtime they can get to pay the bills, because straight time at minimum wage, heck at even 10-12 bucks an hour is hard to live on with a family.

It's about time conservatives stop assaulting the working class of America.

 

Wow.

op·tion [op-shuhn] noun

1. the power or right of choosing.
2. something that may be or is chosen; choice.
3. the act of choosing.

 

Why don't you read what I rwrote and address the issues!

ALL of the risks I mention are NOT a problem in the public sector. Bankrupting out of existing payroll obligations, rarely do the mayors of cities or governors of states literally empty the bank accounts and leave town to avoid payroll obligations, and municipalities are fairly easy to hold accountable i court for these things, UNLIKE the private sector.

But in the private sector, companies fail to pay payroll and/or skip town all the time. Tight now, all the workers would lose is a few weeks pay and some vacation. To lose hundreds and thousands of hours of banked time would make these failures FAR worse.

Regular company practices in the past have shown that there is NO "optional" at companies that don't want to allow it, In REALITY, a company that wanted to play games, do strategic bankruptcies, was planning to skip town, or just simply was in trouble, an employee would have to bank overtime hours or be fired, and they get someone who WOULD bank hours,

Then when the shaky/criminal/ fraudulent businesses went under or disappeared, there would be HUGE economic chaos for us ALL to pay for!

And there would be LOTS of people who would start or buy businesses for exactly this purpose - to build up a huge backlog of employee pay, and then rip it off. We have been there and done that.

 

More clueless business "experts" from the Right!

A company MUST pay 1.5x overtime for work over 40 hours per week for an hourly employee on the next scheduled paycheck (overtime for over 8 hours a day in California).

Only management salary employees can negotiate for comp time if they like, but a company can pay them NOTHING for overtime if it likes.

 

The problem with government flex time is that it never expires and so you might have someone bank it for years then decide to take it all at one time and suddenly that person is taking 6 months off and the government has to hire another employee to cover the job.

In the real world flex hours expire yearly and if not used the company buys them back. No banking for years

 

Again for clarity, do you know what an option is? That means you can choose between regular overtime as prescribed by law or you can take it as paid leave time. As long as the choice is the employees, what's the problem?

I might add that it was the Democrats idea to raise the payroll tax on all working Americans. That tax hike was more than the cuts the sequester made that the Democrats were crying a river about.

 

It's kinda ironic you saying this, being as the US Right does exactly the same thing week in, week out.

 

...Why? Why would they be, and what motivation do they have to be wrong? I mean, seriously, look at the two sides here. In favor, we have... republicans (notoriously anti-labor) and business groups. Against, we have... democrats and workers' rights groups. And the republicans are trying to sell this as "pro-worker". This is not what it seems. If it were, you wouldn't have businesses saying, "Hey, that's a great idea" and workers saying "Hey, wait a minute!" Or, in this case, "Hey, wait a minute, this lets them strongarm me out of my overtime pay!" To quote the article:

...But wait, there's more. From the 2003 version of this bill:

That is what you call a loophole you can drive a truck through.

The problem with this bill is supposedly that there isn't likely to be enough protection for workers who rely on overtime. They tried this back in 2003, with the "Family Time Flexibility Act", and given how well that was composed, it's entirely reasonable to be very suspicious of these new efforts.

The AFL-CIO, National Partnership for Women & Families,

Yes, and that's the hype. It's not, however, billed as the reality. I found the TIME magazine article quite revealing.

http://ideas.time.com/2013/05/03/when-flex-time-means-ripping-off-workers/

Some excerpts:

Added bonus with regards to the freedom of the comp time and the "flexibility":

Or, in non-legalese:

https://anirrationalviewoftheirrati...-oppose-the-working-families-flexibility-act/

So yeah, there's a lot of stuff here that's scary, from the employer being able to force the employee to take the comp time when they want, to the comp time essentially being an interest-free loan to the company, to there being absolutely no safeguard against business failure (if you banked comp time, and your employer goes under, you lose that money with no recourse on getting it back), to the fact that republicans are touting what the government introduced as a cost-cutting measure as a big "pro-labor" bill. It isn't. It's just anti-labor, pro-business legislation in a cute little package.

 

No. Most of what the GOP wants is stupid. How many of the fools have even figured out yet that piddle-down didn't work?

 

What guarantee is there that the employee will be able to use that time off at a time when he realy has some need for it? What, as someone asked earlier, guarantee is there that a business will fold and be unable or unwilling to pay the time off? We know that the government is not going out of business, but I have actually come to work to find that my employer was no longer anywhere to be found and my last pay check was stamped NSF.

Which bill are you referring to?