The Handmaid's Tale

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  1. Chester_Murphy

    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's biology. Primitive men would fight to be the top dog. The top dog mated with the most women. The women would mate with other men and those lesser men would help raise their children. If no women mated with any men other than the alpha male, our genes would be a mess. One male can't feed and care for all of the women, but he could lead better than others. Men and women have never completely lost those urges.
     
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    I am trying to figure out what more women being elected to office has to do with disrespecting white men?
    The. Breakdown wasnt voters ...it was the elected officials. The gop is mainly old white guys and the Democratic Party is way more diverse. More women vote Democratic and that is why we have triple the amount of women representing us.. We also have young people who vote Democratic way more than Republican ....Are you saying that most women vote Republican?
     
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    Yep...men are stronger so they should do the physical labor and women are less bombastic and should rule the world .....:cheerleader:
     
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    I'll just give you the answer you'd like to hear, "yes dear".

    You know, in truth, a woman who does believe she is a man's equal would do her own physical labor and feel guilty when she had to use her feminine attraction to emotionally abuse a man into doing things she can.
     
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    Women are better communicators than men. We're all conceived as "female", hence why men have nipples but at about 6 weeks of gestation when the Y chromosome kicks in, it causes destruction of some portions in the communication center of the brain and ramps up aggression relative to females. Men and women have other attributes. One is that men respond more to visual stimulus. This doesn't just apply to looking a porn, but in responding to hand signals and motions in the bushes....all great skills for the hunt.
     
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    No it just shows that we are so smart that we get you to do all the physical labor , we don’t need to feel macho! . You keep thinking that the word equal means the same and it doesn’t. And I’m glad you learned to say “yes dear” to me, I can’t get my husband to do that.:couple_inlove:
     
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    It doesn't. Nice try at spin on your part.
     
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    Nope, they are better at communicating feelings than men. Men and women don't communicate well with each other. Women fight like cats and dogs with each other.
     
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    Nope. Shows men want that p. You happen to be most likely to offer it and so your man or the man who thinks he has a chance will take the opportunity to up his chances that it will happen soon by helping out.
     
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    So you think taking out the garbage gets you laid? Mowing the grass? Changing tires.?
     
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    Ummmmm
    What embryology text were you reading - "Misogyny incorporated?"

    Mutters to self bloody basic biology. Why are people so willing to let themselves appear completely ignorant of basic biology?
     
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    No we don’t. We may argue more because we are more intimate with each other. We talk about everything. Men don’t usually fight like cats and dogs over sports discussions. Remember women are each other’s best friends.
     
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    You make a total non sequitur and then you accuse me of spin. You’re funny
     
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    Yep! This belief system is definitely back
     
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    That's part of communication. Men lack the verbosity of women but also the sensitivity of women in recognizing/"sensing" the feelings of another. They also listen better in conversations, an important part of communication. These differences aren't cultural, they are genetic. There are, of course, individual variations. What we see on this forum are often exceptions since only certain personality types frequent anonymous political forums.

    Example: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/21-eye-opening-ways-men-women-communicate-differently-arnold-sanow
    Based on our research, observations in our training programs and a number of books such as Debra Tannen's, "You just don't understand", here are some overall observations of differences between men and women. Understanding these differences can assist you in continuing to build and maintain relationships.

    • Men talk to negotiate and maintain their status and independence.
    • Women talk to create intimacy and build rapport.
    • Women tend to participate more in exercises and games during training sessions. Men tend to shy away.
    • Women enjoy sharing and relating and the quality of relationships whereas men place a high priority on tasks, getting results and solving problems. During a presentation men will be more interested in the bottom line vs. activities.
    • When speaking to men say, "I want to work with you today" vs. "I will help" you. Men tend to avoid seeking help and direction. Women are more likely to accept help, but ask for it indirectly
    • Women use more words to express themselves and communicate more what's on their minds through stream-of-consciousness delivery. Men tease and use more sarcasm, especially regarding sensitive issues, apologize less often, confront issues less frequently and disclose less personal information than women
    • Be cautious about having role playing exercises with men
    • Men and women give off different body language signals. Men don't share as many facial expressions or reactions as women. Men frown or squint more when listening and don't provide as much eye contact, while women have more face-to-face contact. Men sit further away, fidget, shift their bodies and lean back more when listening than women do. If a woman nods during a staff meeting everyone thinks she is agreeing with them. While this may be true, it may also mean that she is processing the information and is nodding to show understanding. Men on the other hand are nodding to show agreement.
    • Women are more in tune to the body language and tone of the other party.
    • Men don't share as much facial expressions. It's sometime hard to tell if they are agreeing with you or not.
    • Both men and women like power. Men tend to seek it at all costs, while women will assume it when granted.
    • Women are more empathetic to the problems of their co-workers. Men jump in and offer advice
    • Women (more than men) focus on personal issues when criticizing others
    • Women tend to seek advice, input and consensus from others. Men often like to make decisions independently.
    • Men make decisions quicker than women. Women seek advice, input and consensus from others, while men tend to make decisions in a singular fashion
    • Men tend to promote themselves more and "brag" about their accomplishments
    • Interruptions are generally tolerated more by women then men during a conversation
    • Men don't seek help and direction, where as women are more likely to ask for and accept help
    • Women are much more likely to bring up personal issues during a discussion.
    • Men are more straightforward in their deliberations while women tend to soften the blow by focusing on what the person did right.
    • If a man and woman are working on a very hard project and they fail the woman would internalize it and think to herself , " It was my fault". On the other hand, the man would externalize it and blame everyone else. If both of them were successful, the woman would externalize it and say, "We all did it". The man would internalize it and think to himself, "I'm great"
    • Men are more focused on the outer world; their small talk often revolves around topics related to business, sports, weather, and news. Women like to focus on the inner world of personal issues, of what's going on inside of others, and to share their inner worlds.
     
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    The Non Sequitur is by a person who blames the lack of women in politics on "white males over 55" despite the fact women consistently have had a higher voter turnout than men for over 50 years. Why do women vote for men if women want women in politics?

    http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/resources/genderdiff.pdf
     
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    So, don't use any validated research?
     
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    "In Australia, Misogyny Lives On"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/opinion/in-australia-misogyny-lives-on.html
    ...Shortly afterward, in Parliament, the leader of the Liberal opposition, Tony Abbott, said that Ms. Gillard’s government should “die of shame.” Ms. Gillard delivered a blistering response. She would not be lectured to, she said, by a man who had stood next to placards calling her “bitch,” and who had suggested that men had a better temperament for leadership. “My father did not die of shame,” she said coolly. “What the leader of the opposition should be ashamed of is his performance in this Parliament and the sexism he brings with it.”

    “If he wants to know what misogyny looks like in modern Australia, he doesn’t need a motion in the House of Representatives. He needs a mirror.”....


    Perhaps more Australian men should take Ms. Gillard's advice.
     
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    Feel free to post some. What's stopping you?
     
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    I'm ashamed for you. If that's what you believe, then I'll let you.
     
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    eww Candice Bergen. I can't watch her. She's a terrible actress. Couldn't you pick a black man for yourself?

    As far as anything being back. I don't know what you mean. I think you hope for proof of things you fantasize about.
     
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    And, either you have difficulty reading and comprehending or you don't read at all, but shout down anyone you can. I think it's the latter. I've seen many of your posts. They are pitiful.
     
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    Max, I don't disagree that's what you believe. I'm pretty sure what you posted is correct. I'm not new to this. Truly, I'm not. What I find is that men are encouraged to take a look at themselves to see how they can improve and learn the language of women. Let me ask you something.

    Why are women's communication styles the gold standard, when they can't talk like you and me? They can't seem to separate emotions from the conversation, actually read words and take the meaning as presented, or stick to the topic when they are afraid they are losing an argument. If all else fails, they claim some crime was perpetrated against them, just to save their pride.

    It's all over this forum and many others.

    The style of communication they want to use is sloppy, indirect and aloof. It allows too much leeway for assumption and error. It is meant to convey a feeling, but not an idea or conclusion, remedy or solution. It's simply expressing emotion, which is a waste of time. If that time was spent working on the issues, they would feel better. First, they must make sure the blame for the issues doesn't lie with them.

    I'm sorry. I know this is highly controversial. I don't expect any woman to agree with me. I expect them to be emotional.
     
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    It's not uncommon for people on the losing end of an argument, or those who know they are wrong, to resort to a string of insults in an effort to intimidate their opposite into going away. It's a bully tactic to silence someone's opinion.

    Let's see how many of these we can see others use: http://www.workplacebullying.org/top-25/

    Top 25 tactics adopted by workplace bullies (as reported by bullied targets)

    1. falsely accused someone of “errors” not actually made (71%)
    2. stared, glared, was nonverbally intimidating and was clearly showing hostility (68%)
    3. discounted the person’s thoughts or feelings (“oh, that’s silly”) in meetings (64%)
    4. used the “silent treatment” to “ice out” & separate from others (64%)
    5. exhibited presumably uncontrollable mood swings in front of the group (61%)
    6. made up own rules on the fly that even she/he did not follow (61%)
    7. disregarded satisfactory or exemplary quality of completed work despite evidence (58%)
    8. harshly and constantly criticized having a different ‘standard’ for the Target (57%)
    9. started, or failed to stop, destructive rumors or gossip about the person (56%)
    10. encouraged people to turn against the person being tormented (55%)
    11. singled out and isolated one person from co-workers, either socially or physically (54%) 12. publicly displayed “gross,” undignified, but not illegal, behavior (53%)
    13. yelled, screamed, threw tantrums in front of others to humiliate a person (53%) (on a forum this, of course, is only done in text)
    14. stole credit for work done by others (47%)
    15. abused the evaluation process by lying about the person’s performance (46%)
    16. “insubordinate” for failing to follow arbitrary commands (46%)
    17. used confidential information about a person to humiliate privately or publicly (45%)
    18. retaliated against the person after a complaint was filed (45%)
    19. made verbal put-downs/insults based on gender, race, accent or language, disability (44%)
    20. assigned undesirable work as punishment (44%)
    21. made undoable demands– workload, deadlines, duties — for person singled out (44%)
    22. launched a baseless campaign to oust the person and not stopped by the employer (43%) (on a forum this would be continually reporting someone to either shut them up or ban them)
    23. encouraged the person to quit or transfer rather than to face more mistreatment (43%)
    24. sabotaged the person’s contribution to a team goal and reward (41%)
    25. ensured failure of person’s project by not performing required tasks: signoffs, taking calls, working with collaborators (40%)
     
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    So a guy finds a magic lantern on the beach and rubs it and out pops a genie that pronounces, "Make one wish and I will grant it."

    The guy replies, "I would like a highway from California to Hawaii."

    The genies starts equivocating saying that it would be extremely difficult and asks the guy if he could make another choice so the guy replies, "I would like to understand women."

    The genie asks, "Would you like two lanes or four lanes?"
     
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