The hate industry, Islam and Islamophobia

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  1. yasureoktoo

    yasureoktoo Banned

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    That is not correct,
    The Jizya was and still is a higher tax than the Zakat.
    The amount was regulated by the rulers, the dhimmines were protected, and second class citizens.
    It was used to finance much of the Muslim empires,
    They had no real industry, other than the slave trade, and what they could steal from the countries they raided.
     
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  2. yasureoktoo

    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Perhaps you can name a group other than the Nazi's that you can compare Islam to.
    Perhaps you can also name a point in Islam that deserves respect.
     
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  3. stan1990

    stan1990 Active Member

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    You are wrong. The Jizya(Tribute) isn't regulated by rulers but by strict Islamic code. Zakat is a progressive tax system while tribute is one lump sum payment regardless of the income level. However, tribute mentioned in the Old and New Testament. Again, you don't like the words of Zakat and tribute, replace it with the word tax.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, because it's too engrossed in being a cover for paedophiles.

    Actually when you think about it, by supporting their creeds christians are condoning and facilitating paedophilia? Hold that thought.
     
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  5. yasureoktoo

    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Supporting any religion does that.
    Religion attracts pedophiles.
     
  6. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't care about other religions nor do I agree with you. I refer to the two in which paedophilia is known to be endemic and globally widespread viz. CofE and Catholicism.
     
  7. yasureoktoo

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    Pedophiles seek out occupations where they have access to children.
    Religion is perfect because they have the trust of the parents and kids.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Islam is hardly in its final throes. Ignorant and myopic Westerners who view Islam through a Western prism are blind to the goals of Islam.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your hatred for all Muslims is well documented throughout this & other threads

    Re:
    Spend a few hours looking through the Talmud & get back to us.
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    It is only in their interest as long as people are convinced by it. I think the course of action that is closest to a solution is promoting understanding across lines of disagreement.
     
  11. Swensson

    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    Not sure what you mean. I regularly compare Islam to other groups, depending on what argument I am making. I guess I mostly compare it to Christianity.
    I don't think of respect as something you need to hit certain points to deserve. For instance, I don't know anything about you which "deserves respect", but I respect you nonetheless. Respect in the sense I'm talking about it (which is not necessarily the same sense as you seem to be referring to) is not a response to them doing stuff that I agree with, it is the baseline which I maintain in order not to misrepresent them.

    If we require something before we are willing to represent ideas fairly, then we can use the misrepresentation to reject the thing we were requiring.

    Representing things fairly in this case includes figuring out to what extent people follow stuff and understanding that one person following something does not mean that another person in the same group necessarily follows it in the same way. For instance, if you judge Christians for not eating shellfish, then you will miss out the fact that most Christians don't actually refrain from shellfish.
     
  12. yasureoktoo

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    What group can you compare islam with
     
  13. Swensson

    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    Still not sure what you mean. I'm guessing the answer would still be Christianity.
     
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    In a nutshell...

     
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    The final phrase is the killer argument ' 'Because you don't know who's who.'
     
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    How could you possibly compare Christianity with Islam.. apples and oange's.


    what is your reason for comparison, to show opposites.
     
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    They're not hard to compare at all. They have adherents, they present sometimes dubious claims etc.. It seems to me you're talking about comparing them in some specific sense, but it is not clear.
     
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    They are two completely different philosophies.
     
  19. Swensson

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    Does that mean you can't compare them? Oranges and apples are completely different, that does not mean you can't compare them.
     
  20. yasureoktoo

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    You can do anything you like.
     
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    You are right 100%
     
  22. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    If you post quotes from the garbage Talmud someone is sure to call you an anti-semite.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At least I'll be in good company since anyone with the courage & integrity to oppose Zionist ethnic cleansing, war crimes & aggression is reviled as an "anti Semite".
    However, it is a frequently overlooked reality that Arabs are actually Semites and the Ashkenazi Jews who rule Israel are in no way related to the Semitic people who have inhabited the region since the time of the Canaanites.

    Meanwhile:
    "An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews;

    nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.”

    - Gilad Atzmon, Jewish musician and author, 2011
     
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    I don't know why are trained to hate 1/5 of the planets population based on religious beliefs.. religion truly is the root af all evil or at least a feeble attempt at social governance.. When I see Mike Huckabee preaching we need God in government I see a radical religious terrorist.. Islam is definitely a good example of how not to mix church and state

    The honest truth is is that spirituality needs no confirmation by anybody but you.. Our human spirit is a beast. The internet may help us become global.. Cyber borders are very easily crossed

    Jerusalem is just another spot on the planet.. Why we make it so special seems stupid and dumb

    Humans are good at being scared of what they will become if they really try
     
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    A few things wrong there.
    My hatred is for Islam, not Muslims.

    And you need to look at when your favorite parts of the Talmud was written.
    Most was when they were being murdered by the Romans, or Christians, and they wrote some pretty nasty things about them.
     

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