The Historical Reality of the Muslim Conquests

Surely the Bible states that the Jews conquered Canaan,so the Jews did the same as the Muslims which makes your argument concerning the Muslims stealing land look a bit silly when you are a rabid supporter of the Jews who did the same thing.

 

Nice.

I would bet this is not a standard HS textbook though but used for more advanced classes. Am I right?

 

Come on... go back to the history books...
The Israelites conquered Canaan... Jews are the residents or ex residents of JUDEA, today Jews are the resident of Israel the combination of Judea and Israel... Check it out friend!

 

Why should I go back to my history books when you have stated what I stated? The Jews conquered Canaan,which means that your silly argument about the Muslims conquering lands and claiming them as Islamic is no different than what the Jews did. You really did not think your rant through as usual.

 

I think he's trying to deny the nigh mass ethnic-cleansing -slaughter of non-Heebs - Idolators + pagans which the
Hebrew barbarians carried out in their invasion + conquest of Canaan Philistia in order to create Saul's Ancient Israel and after David/Solomon - the separation of Judah . which was also previous part of Canaan .

Heres a map shoing the nations of canaan BEFORE the Hebrew onslaught.





Next I'll post a record of some of the atrocities committed
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Some bible atrocities :



Biblical Atrocities - including Israelites killed by Judies (wink)

Exodus 32: -- 3,000 Israelites killed by Moses for worshipping the golden calf.
Numbers 31:-- After killing all men, boys and married women among the Midianites, 32,000 virgins remain as booty for the Israelites. (If unmarried girls are a quarter of the population, then 96,000 people were killed:

Joshua 8: --12,000 men and women, all the people of Ai, killed.
Joshua 10:-- Joshua completely destroys Gibeon ("larger than Ai"), Makeddah, Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron, Debir. "He left no survivors."

Joshua 11:-- Hazor destroyed. [Paul Johnson, A History of the Jews (1987), estimates the population of Hazor at ?> 50,000]

TOTAL: if Ai is average, 12,000 x 9 = 108,000 killed.

Judges 1:--10,000 Canaanites k. at Battle of Bezek. Jerusalem and Zephath destroyed.
Judges 3:--- ca. 10,000 Moabites k. at Jordan River.
Judges 8: ---120,000 Midianite soldiers k. by Gideon
Judges 20: --Benjamin attacked by other tribes. 25,000 killed.
1 Samuel 4:-- 4,000 Isrealites killed at 1st Battle of Ebenezer/Aphek. 30,000 Isr. k. at 2nd battle. David:

2 Samuel 8:-- 22,000 Arameans of Damascus and 18,000 Edomites killed in 2 battles.
2 Samuel 10: --40,000 Aramean footsoldiers and 7,000 charioteers killed at Helam.

2 Samuel 18--: 20,000 Israelites under Absalom killed at Ephraim.
1 Kings 20:-- 100,000 Arameans killed by Israelites at Battle of Aphek. Another 27,000 killed by collapsing wall. (Huh ?)
2 Chron 13--: Judah beat Israel and inflicted 500,000 casualties.
2 Chron 28:--- Amaziah, king of Judah, k. 10,000 from Seir in battle and executed 10,000 POWs. Discharged Judean soldiers pillaged and killed 3,000.
2 Chron 28:--- Pekah, king of Israel, slew 120,000 Judeans
TOTAL: That comes to about 1,283,000 mass killings specifically enumerated in the Bible. The battle of 2_Chron_13 is so much larger than all the others that we probably should doubt it.


Gawd knows what happend to the Jebusites - Moabites- amonites etc.

 

Here is this UK citizen infatuation with the ancestry of Israel...
I would suggest you go join Robin Hood in Sherwood Forest perhaps... if you cannot find it... how about Ali Baba?

 

Nah ! not infatuated - Just pointing out what a bunch of habitual liars they are, + what they dont teach in Jew schools - old dear. .

- Go check the Land of Canaan map before those Heebie barbarians arrived and called it Israel which later broke up - to form Judea .


Read my siggy abt yr god + his bible historians .


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Anything to defend the atrocities of Islam, eh?

 

It's for an AP class.

 

Unlike our Zionists friends , - I've never been one to defend the indefensible.

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Bendor - I take it you couldnt dispute the Bible atrocities I posted and therefore chose to employ deflection tactics abt Robin Hood/Sherwood Forest + Ali Baba.

Hmmmm.


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But you are defending the atrocities of Islam by trying to use relative morality as a gauge. So what if others have committed atrocities, that is not even the point of the thread.

 

Oh pls go back on the thread - the discussion was abt Hebrews-Canaanites + the bible - not Islam . Islam didnt exist when the Hebrew/ OLd Testament bible was supposed to have been written.

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Yaaawn - I off to bed .

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Well check the link... The thread is :
The historical Reality of the Muslim Conquests

So please open the following link and educate yourself...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus

At another opportunity I will post what the Brits did in India...

Goodnight and sweet dreams.

 

And what God is that? The new or the old testament God?
Jesus as you know was a 'Jewish Rabbi that you genuflect to, to receive your absolution... So again which God are you taking about?

 

WOW - looks like the Muslims followed in the good ole bible tradions - set by Hebrews (Israelites) ., in slaughtering idolators /pagans. - in their god's name. Mind you , not that mass killings similar atrocities was new to India where dynastic wars between the Guptas + Mauryans. empire building was near constant .

However - Its clear that none of the Abrahamic trio belief systems can claim the moral high ground , right ?

Of course, there were instances of atrocities committed by British forces during its Imperial reign - always for very good reason. - same for all empires , including the American Empire - neo-colonialism. .


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A) God as portrayed in old testament of course. .

B) AFIK - its was only his disciples who called him "" Did other Jews at that time incl. (Priests/Pharisees , think of him as a Rabbi ?

Some Jews said he was an Egyptian magician - re the miracles he performed . On his cross he was described as "Jesus the Nazarene, The King of the Jews " which do you prefer ?
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Excuse me, what does that mentally incompetent nonsense have to do with Islamic conquest? Not to mention, why are you attacking Jews and Christians in response to the Muslim conquest that has been ongoing perpetually for the past 1400 years?

In addition, in the case you are morally equating Islam with Judaism and Christianity as being a religion, per the unhinged dictates of PC multiculturalism, which is the new religion of the secular left, the truth is Islam is not even a religion. Instead, it is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion to dupe the unsuspecting gullible societies it intends to subjugate into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the eventual imposition of Sharia for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to makes Islam supreme. Hence, it couldn't be more unhinged to not only morally equate Islam with being a religion, but also to demonize and incite hatred and violence against other religions like a bigot at the same time, in order to attempt to deflect attention away from the ongoing perpetual jihad that targets not only you and me but indeed every non-Muslim unbeliever in the world.

As a matter of fact, out of the 57 Islamic states that today comprise the OIC, how many of them are legit democracies whereby freedom, liberty, and human rights are intrinsic as opposed to draconian Islamic totalitarian hellholes? Zero! How many of them don't violently oppress and systematically persecute, when not outright slaughtering them altogether, the Christians and other non-Muslim unbelievers living in their draconian Islamic totalitarian hellholes as less than second-class dhimmi citizens? Zero! How many of them don't treat females as property? Zero! How many of them don't execute homosexuals? Zero!

Moreover, point to just one Euroloon country where mass Muslim immigration has been occurring for decades, where the vast overwhelming majority of the Muslim immigrants like clockwork didn't flat out refuse to assimilate and integrate and instead form Muslim only enclaves that in time morph into Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia as fifth columns and tiny independent statelets within states and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside.

Indeed, the government of France a few years ago counted 758 Muslim no-go zones in France alone, and Muslim no-go zones are sprinkled throughout Europe in country after country today, because Muslims never ever migrate to the West or anywhere else for that matter to assimilate and integrate, but instead to eventually subjugate and dominate via the eventual imposition of Sharia for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme. Indeed, mass Muslim immigration for the purpose of infiltration and stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme is in reality the most prevalent form of covert and deceptive non-violent jihad employed by the Islamic world against the West today.

In fact, covert and deceptive non-violent jihad is employed by the Islamic world against the West astronomically far more prevalently relative to violent jihad and constitutes an exponentially far greater threat to the peace and security of the West. Yet, because of PC multiculturalism, which again is the unholy new religion of the left, it takes place today throughout the West completely under the radar and totally uncontested and unopposed.

I mean you can't go on denying reality forever, as the reality will eventually catch up with you, but by then it will be too late.

 

Well to people of a higher intelligence rating it notes the pro israeli poster ranting on about Muslim conquests and how they say that these lands are Islamic forever and compares that to the Jews who also stole land and claim that it is Jewish. So the poster on the one hand is condemning Muslims for conquering land and keeping it but on the other hand does not see a problem with the Jews doing the same thing. It is called hypocrisy.

 

Uhm...you are severely delusional. The Jews never stole anyone's land.

I'm not condemning anyone. I'm simply stating what the official historical record irrefutably indicates. Furthermore, the Islamic conquest are perpetual until such time as the entire world and all non-Muslim unbelievers living in it have been brought under the suzerainty of the Muslims, per the dictates of Islam.

With respect to your above utterly retarded moral equivalence, it's a 100 percent false because the Jews never stole anyone's land. Indeed, that is Muslim taqiyya used to dupe gullible useful idiots. The Jewish unbelievers in Israel are being targeted by jihad because they are non-Muslim unbelievers. Everything else is taqiyya to dupe gullible useful idiots! Indeed, Muhammad famously said, “war is deceit.” As a matter of fact, all non-Muslim unbelievers, not just the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, are the targets of the Muslims.

 

Even if they did, all the land in the middle east has been someone else's at one time or another. When did it become OK to just blame Israel and no one else? I know the answer to that one and it has nothing to do with "fairness".

 

Sorry but it says so in the Bible and in Jewish history so you seem to be the one who is delusional as usual.

 

So that's what you are talking about: what happened thousands of years ago. (*)(*)(*)(*), you are even more unhinged than I originally first imagined. It also makes your ludicrous moral equivalence more insane than I originally first imagined as well.

Hence, according to your lunatic way of thinking, it's okay to let the Muslims conquer Israel, the West, and indeed the entire un-Islamic world because of what some Jews are alleged to have done several thousand years ago. Okay.

I don't know what they are putting in the water over there wherever you are from, but whatever it is literally is eating away what little brain matter you have left.

Meanwhile, the same Islamic world currently waging a permanent and perpetual jihad of conquest against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel is also waging a permanent and perpetual jihad of conquest against any and all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world as well. Yet, because the Jews in which you hate more than anything else are alleged to have conquered people several thousand years ago according to the allegorical Bible, you could care less. Moreover, you are also probably an atheist, which further indicates that you are also very intellectually honest as well.

In fact, you support the jihad being waged by the Islamic world against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, even while they are also waging a jihad against any and all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world at the same time including against you and me. Wow that is a lot of hate and mental incompetence right there!

 

So you agree it happened thus contradicting your previous post. Hmm,not very good at this debating thing are you?

No,that is not what I said at all. I stated that a pro israeli poster was banging on about how the Muslims conquered land and now claim it as islamic forever and I pointed out to him that the Jews did the same thing but he seems to think that it is ok for the Jews to do it but not the Muslims which is hypocrisy at its finest. You on the other hand just made up a load of BS as usual to try and put words in my mouth that I never said. Fail.

btw. You really do not need to write such long drawn out rubbish as I never read all your silly posts anyway.