The Historical Reality of the Muslim Conquests

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  1. Kranes56

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    "This is the tactic of those that do not wish to read or understand the truth"
    "you don't pay attention and are looking for a magical book instead of just using your head"
    "Are you not aware of history? Are you incapable of reading?"
    "I see, you wish to spout nonsense posing as a discussion. FAIL"
    "but I doubt you will be able to understand."
    "I was positive you were incapable of understanding"

    Really? I think these would count.
     
  2. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not when they are true. Facts are sometimes is hard to swallow and it is evident you cannot understand the issue place before you and only resort to strawman fallacies to forward your obstinate view. I know you think you are being clear, but that is part of the problem.

    You have yet to make any clear connection between what you are asking and what is being discussed.
     
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    I have established what I am asking for. You have yet to provide anything. Instead, insults. The only time someone insults, is when they're losing.
     
  4. HBendor

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    I wished you'd take the same time informing yourself and others of your ilk about the information readily available to all on the internet.

    The loudest in rhetoric and insults did not register any time spent on education/information readily available to ALL.
     
  5. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have established nothing except a prolific ability to ask for the same nonsense over and over again without explaining what it really is you are asking.
     
  6. Mr_Truth

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    Iran was never invaded by the U.S.

    Who did the USA and Western powers use to conduct Operation Ajax, the Girl Scouts?

    became mandates

    When General Wolseley attacked Alexandria he didn't use cream puffs and air pistols. British occupation of Egypt continued for something like 50 years - it became a "protectorate" because Disraeli and Gladstone were interested in protecting their stock in the Suez Canal. Not because the ever benevolent British were interested in keeping Russia or whatever was left of the Ottoman empire from taking it back. Did anybody in Egypt consent to that occupation?


    Remember the movie "Casablanca"? Here's one of the most ironic scenes in movie history:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt1vQ81jNWw"]Scene from "Casablanca" movie - YouTube[/ame]

    The French object to the Nazis singing "Watch On the Rhine" and they respond by singing ''La Marseillaise". Evidently, the French did not appreciate Nazis singing in what they perceived to be their territory. But who the hell invited the French to occupy Morocco? Since when do the French or any other European power have the right to invade Africa, the Middle East, Indochina, or anywhere else? What gives them the right to invade and then to declare these areas "protectorates" as if the invasions were some form of favor to those Third World peoples???

    And what was the religion of these invaders? It was Christianity - the religion that claims to worship the Prince of Peace.
     
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    The same could be said about the ARAB CONQESTS of the Seventh Century...
    But who the hell invited the ARABS to occupy most of North Africa, Spain, France Southern Italy, the Middle and Far East , India, Indochina, the Philippine, Indonesia, Malaysia? Since when do the ARABS had the right to invade all the above mentioned countries and force them into Islam by the sword?

    What gives them the right to invade and then to declare these areas "the Lands of Islam" never to be returned to their proper owners?" as if the ARAB invasions were some form of favor to those conquered World peoples??? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
     
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    What gave Jews the right to invade Canaanite land and steal it and then declare it Jewish land? and please do not say God or I will (*)(*)(*)(*) myself laughing.
     
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    Talk about self-hating. Moreover, when was Iran invaded? 1953? Yeah right.
     
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    Dude you are an enormous ignoramus. By the way, I want you to know I can personally name numerous textbooks and their authors, but I won't. You are obviously a dropout.

    Oh, by the way, I didn't make an argument. Instead, I posted an article with a source link written by one of the most preeminent scholars of Islam today. In fact, the writer, Raymond Ibrahim, is author of the The Al Qaeda Reader. He has also written hundreds of scholarly papers, articles, and monographs on the subject. In addition, he is also a Shilman Fellow and a Fellow and Associate Editor of the Middle East Forum.

    What are your credentials besides flunking and dropping out of junior high?
     
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    Seriously??????????????????? I wish you would. Watch this before you do...
    http://youtu.be/ydwxy9yqhzM
     
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    Actually, most normal people can't name the classic text books and their authors exactly because the Mesa Nostra controlled Middle East Studies Departments at our elite colleges and universities that have been hijacked and co-opted by Saudi and Gulf State Emirate petro-dollars and delusional leftists like you, have all been locked away in the dark and damp basements of libraries, as since in the '70s the study of Islam in our elite colleges and universities has been whitewashed and students today are taught to hate and despise Israel and Jews instead of learning the truth about Islam. Anyway, I happened to be a little more motivated than most normal people, thus I found a way to get my hands on several of those text books and did manage to read and study them.

    Nevertheless, why should I honor the stupidity of an ignoramus like you? With all due disrespect, I'm sorry but I'm not stupid enough to do that. Besides, if you weren't an ignoramus, you'd already know who the hell the writer of the article is. Indeed, Raymond Ibrahim is one of the most highly regarded and sought after authorities on Islam in the world.
     
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    That is not an answer to what I posted because you have no answer. You were criticizing Muslims for conquering lands and then calling them Islamic lands but when I stated that the Jews did the same thing all you can do is post up some israeli propaganda youtube video,well you might get your jollies watching these historical fictional videos but I do not.
     
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    The point is not that other people have conquered lands, but that most history teaches how bad the Crusades were but rarely teaches why they were or what came before them. Most people, at least in the States, are completely unaware of the Muslim conquests but everyone has heard of the Crusades and has a negative opinion of them.
     
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    So you can't name a textbook, despite claiming you were able to name one?
     
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    Johnny One Note. To bad your question is not relevant.
     
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    The OP says it's there, so that would qualify it as relevant.
     
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    Did you go to school?
     
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    I'm in 10th grade right now.
     
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    Then show us some textbooks.
     
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    You want my textbook, showing where it glorifed the Islamic conquests?
     
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    The name of the textbook that teaches about Islamic conquests.
     
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    World Civilizations The Global Experience Fourth Edition

    By
    Peter N. Stearns, Michael Adas, Stuart B. Schwartz, Marc Jason Gilbert
     
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    Here is the answer...

    The Canaanites were absorbed by the Israelites (intermarried) this is why there are none today... In fact the progeny of such marriages are the Canaanites/Jews of today... TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!
     
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    And who invited the Crusades?

    How about the Reformation and Counter Reformation when those who claim to live the Prince of Peace killed each other?

    Isrealite conquest of Cannanites?

    England invading Indian subcontinent?

    Spain, England, France invading North/South America?

    Dutch invading Indonesia?

    I bet the Prince of Peace feels His name has been profaned.
     

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