The Holocaust Question, Pre WW2 Germany, and the Horrific Fate of Post WW2 Germans

I am not seeing anything which supports your claim that the
There was considerably more starvation, disease and forced labor amongst the Western allies' German POWs in Germany at war's end than the general population.

An analysis of the documents of the local administrations around the camps of Remagen yields similar results.[10] Projected to a total of about 1,000,000 prisoners in all of the camps, there would have been, at the most, 10,000 deaths and probably many less.

Official claims that the German prisoner death rate was under 1% have been disputed and the conditions in some of the camps that housed captured German soldiers support claims for a higher mortality rate.[11] For comparison the British civilian post-war mortality rate was 1.2% while in America, where there were no food shortages, the U.S. civilian mortality rate did not fall below 1% until 1948. Anglo American troops held in German POW camps had suffered a 4% mortality rate

 

To find out to which extent you have been lied upon by post war propaganda, search for "Haavara Agreement", "Transfer Agreement", "War against the weak" or Lenni Brenner's "Zionism in the age of the dictators". Some useful links below. Quote from last link (which is a quotation from the Lenni Brenner paper):

Dr. Ludwig Pinner, a Ha'avara company official in Tel Aviv during the 1930s, later commented that the exceptionally competent Ha'avara immigrants "decisively contributed" to the economic, social, cultural and educational development of Palestine's Jewish community.

The Transfer Agreement was the most far-reaching example of cooperation between Hitler's Germany and international Zionism. Through this pact, Hitler's Third Reich did more than any other government during the 1930s to support Jewish development in Palestine

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http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Eugenics-and-the-Nazis-the-California-2549771.php
http://waragainsttheweak.com/
http://www.transferagreement.com/
http://www.rense.com/general34/zand.htm

 

Listen to what this guy says at the 4:55 time mark.

Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006: Prof. Robert Faurisson - Victories of Revisionism - part 2/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne3nYJxU6SM

He explains that the way history tell us that the workers removed the bodies from the gas chamber would have been technically impossible. If this can't be disproved, it closes the whole case.


The subject is touched on at the 5:55 time mark of this video too.
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...+Probleme+Des+Chambres+a+Gaz+FRA+avec+ENG+SUB

 

Faurisson is a professor of French literature. This "removal of bodies" argument merely displays the gullibility of fellow denialists and jew haters. It has been thoroughly and completely debunked.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

there is a very limited gang of characters in the holocaust denial biz. They prey on the both the massive ignorance and blind bigotry of jew haters, Nazi apologists and white power pinheads.

I find it interesting that you take the time to ferret out such denialist garbage but apparently can't be bothered to actually check its veracity, which considering the dozens of sites dedicated to actual scholarship that clearly destroys denialist nonsense is a very easy thing to do.

 

The revisionists make a pretty good case for the camps having been slave labor camps and not death camps.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=364791&p=1064134269#post1064134269

Viewers please check out the info and don't be swayed by rhetoric.

 

no they don't Deniers are stupid, ignorant or evil.

 

To call them "Deniers" is to misrepresent their position. They don't say it didn't happen. They say it happened but it was exaggerated and distorted.

http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Brochure.pdf
(excerpt)
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First of all, because of false representations by the media, it
is necessary that we first clarify what Holocaust Revisionism
does not maintain:
– it does not deny that Jews were persecuted under the Third
Reich;
– it does not deny that Jews were deprived of civil rights;
– it does not deny that Jews were deported;
– it does not deny the existence of Jewish ghettos;
– it does not deny the existence of concentration camps;
– it does not deny the existence of crematoriums in concentration camps;
– it does not deny that Jews died for a great number of
reasons;
– it does not deny that other minorities were also persecuted,
such as gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and
political dissenters;
– and finally, it does not deny that all the above mentioned
things were unjust.

None of these crimes of the National Socialist regime are
doubted by Holocaust revisionists. In the view of the Revisionists, however, all these injustices have nothing to do with the
Holocaust, which is defined as planned and organized mass
murder, carried out specifically in homicidal gas chambers (see
Question 4).
Holocaust revisionists believes the following to be correct:5
1. There was no National Socialist order for the physical extermination of Jews;6
2. Likewise, there was no National Socialist plan for physical extermination of Jews;
3. There was no German organization and no budget for carrying out the alleged extermination plan. Consider the
statement by the world-renowned Holocaust researcher
Prof. Raul Hilberg:7
»But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction
not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any
agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget
for destructive measures [of the Juden]. They [the measures]were taken step by step. Thus came about not so much
a plan being carried out but an incredible meeting of
minds, a consensus mind-reading by a far-flung [German] bureaucracy.«;
4. In detailed investigations of former German concentration
camps, expert researchers have established: The internment camps had no sophisticated methods for mass murder, in particular no homicidal gas chambers.8
Furthermore, the reports of mass shootings behind the GermanRussian front were greatly exaggerated and taken out of
context;9
5. There were neither adequate industrial facilities nor sufficient fuel to cremate such a huge number of corpses. In
fact, the capacity of the crematories was barely sufficient
to cremate the bodies of those who died from starvation
and epidemics.10
6. There is no documentation for the existence of homicidal
gas chambers,11 and no material traces of alleged mass
murders.12 All ‘proof’ relies on eyewitness accounts only,
whose unreliability is widely acknowledged.13
7. Despite massive observation by spies and resistance
groups in areas in the near vicinity of the German concentration camps, all of Germany’s wartime enemies conducted themselves as if no exterminations of Jews were
taking place. The charges of genocide were not raised until after Germany’s defeat, when there was no German
government to dispute them.14
8. Statistical investigations of living Jews worldwide show
clearly that the losses of this ethnic group during the Second World War were nowhere near six million. The exact
number is probably well under half a million.

 

the gullibility of denialists is a snapshot of the hate over fact and rationality.

OF COURSE SOME OF THE CAMPS WERE SLAVE LABOUR! AND SOME LIKE THE AKTION RIENHART CAMPS WERE SINGLE PURPOSE DEATH CAMPS.

Jew hating denialists are swayed by rhetoric, distortion, lies, quasi-science and truly stupid garbage. Leuchter, Krege, Rudolph, Butz, Weber, Zundel ... its a line up of the incompetent, Nazi apologists, amateurs, the haters, the ignorant and the stupid.

I have been engaging denialists for a couple of decades now. Others around here have as well. The mountain of putrid dung you are trying to peddle won't find a buyer around here.

Like I recommended previously, you might want balance your search of denialist garbage with searching out the precise and definitive rebuttals of their crap BEFORE attempting to peddle it around here.

 

post #29

I don't see where the idea that the way the ex Sonderkommandos said they'd removed the bodies from the gas chambers is technically impossible is thoroughly and completely debunked in your article. Could you please point it out?

 

Germany was very much a center for artists prior to the war... painters, musicians, theater etc.. and the Nuremberg Laws were being written even then.

 

I suggest you read the document again. It clearly debunks the "body removal" canard posited by Faurisson and refined by Mottogno. Are you looking for a single sentence that says "it was technically possible" when the entire premise is poorly researched poppycock to begin with? Is there any point to pointing out the entire document for you?


the document refutes a litany of denialist errors, misrepresentations, outright lies and stunning incompetence.

Here's a few tactics I have observed you using in this single thread:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Exhib/HowtoEngl.html

3. Hello, I'm a Cremation Expert -- Claim that the 52 Auschwitz furnaces could not have had the capacity to burn 4,756 corpses per day because modern commercial crematoriums don't have such a capacity. When its pointed out to you that there's no comparison between ordinary commercial crematoriums and those built in the camps, for a variety of reasons -- e.g. coffins were not used, one can cremate more than one corpse in a single retort, etc. -- ignore this and repeat the claim.

7. The "What's It Mean?" Spiral of Infinity -- Try to keep your opponents off balance by constantly shifting or questioning the definitions of words. For example, if your opponent states that historians generally agree that 1 million Jews were killed in gas chambers at Auschwitz during the Holocaust, you can ask, what do you mean by "historian" or what do you mean by "Jew" or what do you mean by "agree?" Alternatively, when confronted with the evidence that Himmler called for the "ausrotten" of the Jews, argue that ausrotten doesn't really mean extermination. When proof of that definition is provided by German dictionaries and German speakers on the newsgroup, just ignore it.

14. If you don't want to look like a total buffoon, there's always the pseudo-academic, above-the-fray approach. With a huge dose of arrogance and superiority, explain that you are neither a revisionist nor any other "label", merely someone with a healthy skepticism about everything, including Holocaust history (ALL of it), and that you are conducting your own research to determine for yourself whether certain Holocaust incidents actually took place. Pretend to be totally impartial (despite the avalanche of Holocaust evidence you would encounter the minute you actually began any legitimate research), but in your posts only question the Holocaust historians' statements, not revisionists' statements.

18. Remember that the revisionist community is peopled mainly by racists, white-supremacists, Israel-bashers, and Nazis. This means that everyone except these kinds of people will dismiss you. But don't let that stop you. Don't let your Fellini-esque, internally inconsistent, un-researched, hypocritical distortions and lies prevent you from continuing to post. After all, you're fighting for the truth (as you'd like it to be).


you are totally out of your depth around here. I personally know FAR more about the denialist position and its spurious, specious arguments than you apparently do.

 

Could you copy and paste the paragraph you're referring to?
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

I didn't see anything that said it was safe to handle bodies that had just been gassed.

 

its not mentioned cause its not true.

the NKVD and Cheka were overwhelmingly NOT Jewish.

 

Here's another video.

1987 - David McCalden - Holocaust Revisionism for Beginners - Part 1 (EN)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn9wlUwr-wk

 

no one's interested.

even David Irving admitted the Holocaust did happen.

 

I made a mistake in post #28.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=364791&page=3&p=1064299912#post1064299912

I posted the wrong video. The second video I wanted to post was this one.

Auschwitz - Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth - HD (full)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Kl6RHKIQk
(5:55 time mark)

One of the supposed workers who supposedly dragged the bodies out of the supposed gas chambers explains how he supposedly did it.

 

the gas chambers were real.

 

Everybody take another look at post #29.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=364791&page=3&p=1064301487#post1064301487

It was said that the idea that it was unsafe to remove bodies after the gassings had been completely and thoroughly debunked in this article.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

The article doesn't even address the issue let alone debunk it.

If I missed where it was completely and thoroughly debunked, please copy and paste that part of the article.

 

The Holocaust happened. Get used to it.

 

always spot the eager young denialist, faithfully following the denialist field manual of How to Deny the Holocaust.

who ever has the "drool bucket" franchise at denialist annual general meetings must have a gas making such a big killing.

 

Amazing that there are people who deny the Holocaust. 6 million people just disappeared and the thousands who survived made up the same stupid story or what?
Do people really think that if you kill of 6 million people there is no evidence?

Auschwitz to this day is a memorial site, and we still find messages, which the former inmates buried or hid throughout the site.

But I was curious about the video, so I clicked on the link, but my country seems to protect me from BS:

 

Try one of these.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=austwitz+why+the+gas+chambers+are+a+myth

If a theory is wrong, it will fall from its own lack of merit. Censorship is only necessary if a lie is being defended.

 

the evidence that the Holocaust happened, is overwhelming.

800,000 Jews shipped to Treblinka.

no evidence of any of them being shipped out.

why? they are all dead.

 

You would think so wouldn't you? Yet there is actually people in the world who doubt the Holocaust. Guess my Grandfather was dreaming ...

 

Right outta the field manual, like a good little soldier.



14. If you don't want to look like a total buffoon, there's always the pseudo-academic, above-the-fray approach. With a huge dose of arrogance and superiority, explain that you are neither a revisionist nor any other "label", merely someone with a healthy skepticism about everything, including Holocaust history (ALL of it), and that you are conducting your own research to determine for yourself whether certain Holocaust incidents actually took place. Pretend to be totally impartial (despite the avalanche of Holocaust evidence you would encounter the minute you actually began any legitimate research), but in your posts only question the Holocaust historians' statements, not revisionists' statements.


I bet you think leuchter is a genius who proved gas chambers never existed, and not the pathetic, woefully ignorant asshat he actually is.