The importance of muslim immigration to Europe.

The controlling circles of Europe have always needed a war-worthy ideological conflict to keep their control. Christian-Pagan, then Reformation, then nationalism, then communism, now back to religious fanatism. With muslims as little as 3 %, this is not effective enough. With a future ~10 % muslim, it is.

European media and schools are extremeny good at explaining away that today's Europeans are not simply the looters of those Europeans that they "justly" fought against a few decades ago. So, Europeans need a new conflict now, that they haven't explained away yet. Only the muslims can provide this value.

Why do you think that the muslim immigration into Europe should not continue? (By the way I am not a muslim, I am a Christian.)

 

It shouldn't continue in the manner is it now. Right now Europe's position is quote frankly rather retarded. Sweden, of course the worst, is for example granting all syrians permanent stay in Sweden, due to the war. Any sensible reason to do that? Why not just give temporary visas to actual refugees? Ideological blindness is why. No, the current way of doing things is stupid and will stress our public services, be a drain on our economies, and lead to ethnic tension. It's bloody ridiculous that they are pursuing this. We should just have a sensible immigration policy that is tied to our economic needs, and which makes assimilation easy.

 

There is only one explaination judging what I observe here in the states. The left HATES anything white western male and is bent on destroying it. Good luck to you, I think Sweden is done for like a lot of us.

Interesting from France
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/does-immigration-mean-france-is-over/?_r=0

When you read this (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), notice how he doesn't give a damn about how the French people feel.

Notice how he can't fathom the difference between millions of third world locusts and a few thousand western expats. I really think this is part of the brainwashing of liberals, and they LIKE it.

 

read history, multiculturalism does not work. secondly islam preaches conquering and non-assimilation


added: and thirdly, they contribute nothing except crime and poverty and take disproportionate welfare

 

Muslims are usually conservatives and the least we need is more of them .

 

muslims are their own kind, a sort of medieval religious political group

 

Which is why I'm puzzled why the left insists on seeing them as an ally. Muslims as a group typically stand for things the left despise even more than western conservatives, so it's truly an unholy alliance.

 

I think that the sense in the current arrangement is exactly the purpose of creating conflict. Before the modern immigration waves, European nation states strived to create conflicts between their own internal ethnic differences.

 

What is the difference between conquering a land and assimilating a land? France has been doing both of these in many Islamic countries for centuries. Isn't this only a little normalization, that now the muslims get their turn in France too?

 

It is odd, but if there is one thing that the left hates more than religious fanaticism it's Western Civilization, and they figured out a pretty good plan of eliminating the West by replacing it's population with Muslims. I've got to hand it to them, it's pure genius!

 

I think the irony is that while the left likes to paint themselves as anti-racist and unbigoted, they only agreed to this unholy alliance because they thought the muslims were of such an inferior culture that eventual assimilation would be inevitable, and that they would be in the way of the march towards utopia. I'd love to see the look of their faces when they realise they've unleashed a far bigger obstacle than what western conservatives could ever muster.

 

I think that's the ultimate irony that the left; despising Western Civilization, are still of the West and think that their ideas will eventually win out. I've no doubt that you're right, and the left thinks they can unleash Islam to outbreed Christianity, and then, put Islam back in it's box.

It makes me wonder if there is a flaw in Western culture to commit suicide. I'm not aware of the intelligentsia of other non Western nations hating their own culture like your typical Western academic does. Maybe Western concepts like individual rights, representative government, and political liberty are just flashes in the pan, historically speaking, and enlightenment ideas will fade away just as the enlightenment period did.

 

One likes to say that the western world is superior, but when one remembers that we are the only ones who have a majority of the elites wishing the destruction of their own culture, and a way to big slice of the populace agreeing with them and/or being indifferent, one can't really say that anymore. Atleast the rest of the world has always had and still has a basic sense of self-respect. To be honest, I think that's worth much more...

I'm actually hoping that marxism and all it's horrible variations will soon die off. Looking at europe, which has been hit the hardest, parties who are die-hard opposed to the bs are growing very fast. front national is the biggest party in france, ukip is -what is it, second or third?- SD in sweden is third biggest, et cetera. It's obvious that the people are starting to get tired of radical feminism, queer theory, multiculturalism and other marxisms. As the situation is now, they can do nothing but grow.

 

Muslim immigrants tend to turn their communities into little Baghdad's complete with all the cultural and legal baggage that implies. If the native population wants to share their nation with folk not noted for their tolerance and western values, well, its their choice.

 

assimilation is genocide.

 

The Jews of WW2 didn't learn their lesson when we Germans pushed back.

Islam is radical. If they start fighting or causing problems we can round them up and deport them.

 

No, it's beneficial.

No, I won't support going nazi on them. If they came here legally they are legal. What we need to do is change the laws.

 

"The leftists" are many groups with a vast array of conflicting opinions on how immigration should be handled .
For most of the left states and borders are artificial fences for capitalists to mark their herd but no leftist will ever tolerate religious fundamentalists of any kind . Remember Franco and Mussolini came in power just because the leftists start burning down churches.

 

When they get numbers, they will go Nazi on you. So sorry about that, my great grandpa came from Sweden.

 

I totally agree, but what's worse, is that like the jews, the slavs too on average think that deporting average working people from their homes and businesses is justified, like deporting the German from Königsberg, the Italian from Dalmatia, and the Hungarian from Slovakia/Transylvania. These are the creeps that say that all deportations are okay, except deporting joos, slavs, and the other wiseasses.

Isn't it convenient, that this highly legalized muslim immigration always goes into a Germanic country, never a slavonic country? Hmmm.

 

What is assimilation beneficial for? Doesn't it stink like a rotten fish?

And change what laws? The European legal system has always been based on double standards, ever since ww1. The muslim immigration is the only thing that can potentially put some fairness into Europe. What's bad is that this muslim immigration is going to the wrong target geographies, most of the time.

If we want to change the laws, I would vote for not reducing muslim immigration, but for redirecting it to the more ultranationalistic purist members of the EU, such as France, Romania, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, and the Baltic states.

 

The funny part is that those who fear muslims have the least experience with them.
I don't see any Portuguese , Spanish, Sicilian or Balkanian complaining.

 

Nonsense. Many are living off of government. The Baat party is socialist. So is the Muslim brotherhood.

 

It will be interesting to see what the muslims will do to their host nations when they get the numbers. We know what the joos did to their host nations when they got the numbers (ww1-2?), the muslims may still turn this around and bring us something better. Well, it can't be worse too much, right?

 

Lol... Didnt they have some ethnic cleansing if muslims in the Balkans in the last few decades? Italians just protested about a Syrian refugee camp and had them moved. Who cares about Portugal, no one knows or cares what goes on there. The Spanish have learned to toe the extremist line after their train bombing they have no balls.