The key points from Trump's State of the Union address

I don't dispute the manner in which income is generated, but the Income Disparity that is caused.

Which is attributed directly to inadequate taxation of upper-incomes.

Come off you high-horse ...

 

No, I stated my position in the most crystal clear way. It doesn't matter what label collectivist, self-enriching, self-growing government is hidden behind or even attacked with, it's all collectivism in the end, extraction and control of more and more resources from the non government-dependent private sector towards gain for the incompetent, wasteful, corrupt gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex. The LW canard of "label-hopping" towards derailing criticism will not work and is no longer working in the net age. Just like hollering "RACISSSSSS!" childish tactics of "well we're not green, we're chartreuse, so all those bad things about greens don't apply to us!" are done, the free dialogue and written record of the net are dragging those toxic LW vampires of irrationality, effeminacy and inconsistency out of the crypt and into the sizzling light... finally after 80-100 years of statist hegemony in information accessible to the public.

Moreover, U.S. collectivism isn't even sincere any more. Fiat capitalists in the U.S. want the same capitalist things, have the same capitalist goals, that most American citizens want, they just want them without earning them, and at the end of a government gun barrel. They have learned that the language of Marxism, more accurately a Huey Long bastardized version of Marxist social destabilization tools, is useful to manipulate the weak, ignorant, low character underclasses that collectivist statists require to fool to enlarge their wealth and power.

That is -exactly- what they are doing. Even the worst private sector practitioners, the wealthiest, most profligate hedge fund managers, et. al., bring more value to society than the Complex foulness, the Clintons, Pelosis, Feinsteins, Warrens and 10,000 others up and down the rotten Complex food chain. Here's a list of Obama era "Green Energy" outright SCAMS, just a few among THOUSANDS of government scams at all levels, but sure, let's do more of that and enrich more parasites because they are promising a free lunch and chicken in every pot to gullible morons who are promised a small slice of the graft for their complicity via job program equivalents while whacking up the take and the vig:

http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-failed-obama-green-energy-solar-companies/

1. Gin up and exaggerate a social problem that the underclass can be fooled into believing. Fabricate some "public welfare" necessity. 2. Create large pools of money out of taxpayer funds. 3. Pervert and extract that money into complicit pockets via crooked govgrants, crooked govcontracts, crooked regulations sold to crony donors to forestall competition, many other graft methods. 4. Enjoy the riches of capitalism without working for them or providing much of anything in return. When the inevitable collapses and social problems result, BLAME THE PRIVATE SECTOR through all the many Complex media organs. Then suggest the fix... MORE government. What a great scam! 5. Rinse repeat, with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, climate change, TSA, SNAP, TANF, ACA, mortgage meddling, student loans, healthcare, and all manner of 10,000 pork tributaries.

Look familiar? Well it is, you can see it in most any Sopranos episode, most any mob movie. When Michael Corleone was so desperate to "go legit" that just meant moving into government. That's the Complex, a parasitic crime family modeled on the Sicilian mafia, Tammany Hall, every other corrupt historical, soul-sucking megabureaucracy, and sold to the effeminated, dependent thralls as for their own good.

Yeah, SEIU and NEA, all the other public union rot is just the modern version of Robin Hood, "youse needs our protection because without it, some unsavory elements could do serious damages to the nice family enterprise you gots going here." Sell that Paulie Walnuts BS elsewhere. All played out in the net age. Few on the net who aren't in on the endless scams are buying it any more. Voluntary transactions, leaving capital in the hands of people who created and earned it, is morally and fiscally superior to the Sopranos rot of the Complex.

Of course you and yours hate the Trump Tax Reform and lie about it endlessly, it messes with the "take." You lot never saw ANY tax cut you liked and never will. The private sector doesn't have the tax avoidance tool of backloading mostly -unearned- compensation into outrageous retirement pensions that are bankrupting the country. You know you rake in far more from high taxes than you lose paying piddly amounts of them.

Not only was the ACA a massive failure in many ways without any possibility of debate, but also like the similarly grafty New Deal, it dropped a gigantic, unmeasurable burden on the heads of the 30,000,000 U.S. private sector businesses at the most atrociously boneheaded time. Drastically lengthened the recovery from 2008, increased the real misery on the real economy needlessly... as government graft often does. "Eh, we know times is tough, but the Boss's daughter is getting married, so your payments are going up 20%."

1. Refers to studies without citing them, summarizing the data and methodologies, or defending them. 2. Then claims that disagreement with them is "refusal to believe facts." 3. Can't make this **** up folks. Haven't seen that before here... about a thousand times.

Remember folks, ALWAYS have a WRITTEN RECORD of ANY discussion attempted with a Leftist.

Yes there most certainly is, and no, not a significant percentage of the 30,000,000 private companies in the U.S. "buys political favor." Most buy municipal services at set rates, pay more than their fair share for those services, and that's about it as far as what they buy from government. Conflating large donor cronies with the private sector at large is another thing we see in mafia lore. "Everyone's in on it, we just getting ours, right Silvio?" That rationalization is worn right out.

 

Ok

I understand that libs like you sill never believe anything I say

But I will keep saying it till you get so used to the idea that you believe you thought of it yourself

 

Rubbish. Wouldn't you be happier on a Message Board?

This is a DEBATE FORUM ... !

 

Dont tell me, tell the lib spotted cow who is proudly closed minded

 

There is no mandatory spending. Government can end any spending it wishes to end. Do the math and tell what the federal government books would look like without social spending (none of which is mandatory) all other things being the same.

 

I said no such thing. But I would consider a 70% tax rate to be grossly confiscatory.

 

Imagine adding new spending to government that would represent 40% of total spending. It would bankrupt us. I congratulate Canada for having a better national government than we have.

 

May I suggest that a very possible point of agreement in our two different viewpoints should, indeed, be in taxation, as you suggest.

I have ranted and railed in this forum for years in favor of a complete re-writing of the U. S. Tax Code! And often my usual assortment of liberal opponents are surprised to find that instead of saying the taxes should be further cut, instead I advocate total elimination of ALL tax loopholes, tax shelters, exclusions, exemptions, and deductions -- for EVERYONE.

Mysteriously, most of those liberal adversaries simply fade away and don't respond at all, but you might be different -- the more so because at least you say that you "don't dispute the manner in which income is generated". I interpret that as being an enormous improvement over the usual Leftist hypothesis which preaches that because any person merely EXISTS, that person should automatically be entitled to cradle-to-grave economic support from his/her host-government.

The U. S. Tax Code is, IMHO, the most wretchedly unfair, implicitly villainous, and starkly criminal system for legalized theft of income by a corrupted government since the creation of this country. This 'tax code' epitomizes "picking winners and losers", and, providing special protection and favors for those who are able to hire tax lawyers and tax accountants to insure that most of the 'big-rich' never, ever have to pay a "fair share" of actual income in taxes -- indeed, many of the über-wealthy pay little or nothing at all!

Surprisingly, I didn't notice any mention of the U. S. Tax Code in Ocort's "New Green Deal" proposal... only a rant about 'income-disparity'. Strange -- but not completely unexpected, even from this Social-Democrat 'phenom'. After all, neither the Democrat, nor the Republican political parties have ever done anything that fundamentally changes the tax code to one that reflects real fairness and real equality in taxation criteria. Until we have eliminated all the 'write-off' crap in the tax code, we will have accomplished nothing but a continuation of the paradigm of "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer"....

 

Okay Europe, subsidize our health care and military needs and I'll be more than HAPPY to invest extra funds. Until then, Medicare/pensions/military is taking up 75% of the government budget, so the money isn't there even if we elected a billion Bernie Sanders.

 

Our taxes are higher. The rich and the corporations are paying their fair share.

It's not that complicated.

 

I don't think the people proposing it even know. Medicare you pay into your entire working life and don't receive the benefits until you retire. Seems thay are actually proposing Medicaid for all but don't want to admit it. And while under medicare we are free to purchase health insurance and free to purchase healthcare outside of the medicare system. They plan to eliminate both under medicare for all.

 

LOL. OK donnie.
There aren't the many non RW idiots to believe that BS.

Now, if you ever produce some facts and/or data to back up claims, that are not fabricated, you might get some to believe you.
But that rarely happens.

 

I am not trying to convince any lib including you of anything

I’m just telling you what I think and you can take t or leave it

 

The money is there, joker.

You just don't know how to find it ...

 

And where should we American peons look for it?

 

I quite agree.

And for all the meowing on TV by the Dems about redoing this and redoing that I see nothing about a fundamental remake of the Tax Code.

Our democracy is no different to manage than any other. A politician must be keen to see which way the wind is blowing. And, frankly, too many Americans don't give a damn about politics - except when there is a major recession going on.

So, in fact, we deserve the mess we are in.

It's going to take a longggggg time before the US adopts either National Healthcare or Free Tertiary Education. But, if we don't keep fighting for it, neither will it ever happen ...

 

I see you are not all that up on what "mandatory spending" actually means.



perhaps you can explain why these aren't mandatory fiscal commitments made to the American people?

 

You must write for infowars.

So much anger, and so much hipocrisy in one post.

 

Because, any congress with the Presidents signature, could end every one of them under the law.

 

Arent you a Frenchman who spends time here each day telling Americans what they should be doing?

 

If they can just tax the means of production at 90%, they don't need to own it. Most so called Socialist today want to tax the hell out of our capitalist system in order to afford the goals they thought would be achieved through socialism.

 

With some misgivings, I find that I agree with you, mostly -- especially the part of deserving the colossal mess we are in. If anything, it's deeper and wider than we know... but we may find out when the next large recession hits.

I confuse and disappoint most of my fellow financial Conservatives by advocating Single-Payer Healthcare, but only in a certain form that includes only 'policyholders' (stake holders) who pay their own premiums, without any government handouts, "subsidies", etc.

In principle, I've been against the idea of taxpayer-funded "free college", but because we've cultivated such a frighteningly large mass of people in this country who are functionally illiterate, intellectually withered, and largely devoid of faculties necessary for critical thought processes, I'm starting to think that maybe something like either an extra two years of high school, or, one of these "associate-degree" things might be a good idea for the country to provide... if only to offset the fact that there are so many of us now who really understand little, and, can do what amounts to NOTHING useful....

If we did adopt something akin to "free college", the curricula should be limited to vocational "majors", with a tight focus on enabling students to learn how to make a living, and, contribute to society. No "art majors", "philosophy majors", etc.

To vex the whole "college" thing even further, I'd suggest that we might save ourselves a lot of trouble by looking very closely at the public school system(s) in Germany. They do produce great benefit -- both for the individual students, and for the country as a whole. True, there are a number of Germans I disagree with -- some, about nearly everything. But, I don't know any Germans who are woefully ignorant or poorly-educated like so many of us Americans are in the 21st-century....

One point of recurring worry for me today is that neither Russia nor China is known for producing many ignorant or poorly-educated people, either....

 

I already said several times to you, Everyone not a tRUMPette, leaves it.
So why take up bandwidth and space here if you are never going to have data to back up anything you say?

 

From the saving you'd get from high premiums and high copays going down.