The LGBT fraud has been exposed, and they’re definitely not happy about it

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by sec, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    Mass is not held in the public marketplace. This is where you keep going wrong.
     
  2. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Do you buy into Harry Potter as "reality" too?

    Because there is exactly the same amount of "evidence" for you to believe that Voldemort exists as your biblical god.

    Fiction is not reality and neither is superstition but apparently it suffices for faux "atheists".
     
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    The Constitution treats the choice of religion as akin to race so why is that any different?

    If your "demand" is granted then the constitution will no longer be required to "honor" religion either since that is most definitely a choice, right?
     
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    Corporations do not have individual rights.


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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ones political affiliation is also a choice like ones religion so then is it discrimination to lets say hang up a sign denying service to Trump voters?
     
  6. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Corporations operate under different laws to those that pertain to individuals. Given that Trump voters would be considered to be a class of persons that are being unfairly discriminated against by the corporation then yes, that would be illegal IMO.
     
  7. dairyair

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    You know that issue has been lost. NO one has ever been forced to participate in any event they didn't like. NO ONE.
    A business may have had to, to comply with some laws, but a person has NEVER been forced to. So the lies hold no water.

    Try another hate route.
     
  8. sec

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    what is a business? It's people isn't it?

    The govt should not be able to force a vegan chef to prepare beef for a beef eating convention. I would hope that you would support that.

    The govt should not be able to force you to work an event where the re-creation of the birth of the Christ child is performed. I would hope that you support that.

    Why is it that when the gay-sex lifestyle is the event that you fail to see the over-reach that you and others who live the gay-lifestyle are demanding?

    Nobody is looking to deny renting a hotel room to you because you might be having some gay sex

    Nobody is looking to refuse to sell an apple turnover to you because you might have gay sex

    The issue is that when you are looking to host an event which celebrates the lifestyle of gay-sex, Christians cannot work at those events.

    A Christian cannot work an event where they celebrate the killing of a baby in the womb.

    The hate comes from you and other homosexuals who try and force your lifestyle choice upon others. I do not try and force you to embrace Christianity or attend a church service. You have the right to deny God and should not be forced to attend a church service. I will rise up in protest if any govt arm within the USA would try and force you to attend a Christian service.

    In a free nation such as the USA I am free to worship how I choose and you are free to not worship. I am free to have heterosexual sex and you are free to have gay sex. What you are not allowed to do is to make demands that I or others with deeply held faith, service the celebration of the gay-sex lifestyle.
     
  9. dairyair

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    No, the person is not the business.

    The rest of you post is emotional BS. Grasping at straws, and been debunked 1000s of times.
    Try something new. You've lost and you're still losing.

    I bet many christians work in health care facilities where abortions are performed. Especially if it's a large hospital. And no one would be forced to work at any place they don't want to.
    No need for more strawmen. You're failing at everyone of them.
     
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    Having sex or expressing a Stone Age mentality is a "choice";
    sexual orientation is not.
     
  11. Vegas giants

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    No one is required to work in the public marketplace. But if you do you are saying that you will serve the public without discrimination absent a compelling interest. That is the only way it can work. People can claim a religious objection for anything. All kinds of people woulf be discriminated against. It would be chaos. Get a job where you don't have to serve the public....or leave your religion at home.
     
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    Since no such event exists that is an utterly inane strawman.

    FTR it is worth pointing that Christians do celebrate the brutal torture and killing of an adult male for the purposes of their religious beliefs.
     
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    your need to believe that does not make it fact. I understand why you need to believe it but that is emotion based

    Kindly show me the medical test which confirms that you yourself were "born homosexual"
     
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    You need to keep saying that discrimination against people occurs which is incorrect; but you must state it otherwise your agenda is exposed.

    The same businesses which have been punished for not serving a celebration of the gay-sex lifestyle have histories of providing products and services to those very same people. The florist who was put out of business had a long history of selling flowers and other items to the 2 men but had to refuse when they asked for her to work their celebration of their chosen gay lifestyle. It's very specific events which must be refused.
     
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    Discrimination does occur according to the federal courts. You are free to have your own opinion. You may refuse whatever you like. And gays may seek relief from the courts. And they will get it. If you are limiting the discrimination to only specific events you must make a case of compelling interest which has never happened in court. You lose.
     
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    I never once claimed that one is "born heterosexual"

    Of course one could point to the male and female organs for procreation as to what is biologically normal

    On countless times I have detailed my environment as a youth and how no girly-men or or anyone living the gay lifestyle were exposed to me. I knew of no other lifestyle than the heterosexual lifestyle

    I'm confident that if you could dig into your subconscious that you would find that you were exposed to a deviant sexual lifestyle as a child and that introduced the option of choosing sex with other men.

    Your theory is no better than mine
     
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    And common sense and the Constitution are going to return to the SCOTUS and many federal benches. Gay sex will soon be treated for what it is, a sexual lifestyle choice. Nobody is looking to deny you from having as much gay sex as you want, we just are not going to allow you to force others to participate in celebrating that lifestyle choice.

    For 8 years the Constitution has received a steady flow of urine from Obama. It's time to restore this nation
     
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    You simply have an opinion. Your disgraceful lifesyle choice to worship a jewish zombie will continue to be protected and so will gay people.
     
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    Did I say there was a medical test? No. I said "Current medical research points to events that occur in the womb that dictate ones sexual orientation"

    Did I say there was a medical test? No. I said "Current medical research points to events that occur in the womb that dictate ones sexual orientation"


    Did I say I believe I was born homosexual? No. I did not. I wouldn't say that because I know I was born heterosexual. I said "Testimonies from thousands of homosexuals state that they have known from a very early age that they were attracted to people of the same sex."

    I said nothing about belief. I used the word "know". If you do not understand the difference between a belief and knowledge that may be because your religious upbringing taught that your belief in a god is the same as knowledge of its existence. It isn't.

    You know how to read. Ask yourself why you find it necessary to intentionally misrepresent something I wrote instead of addressing what I wrote.
     
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    FTR it is worth pointing that Christians do celebrate the brutal torture and killing of an imaginary adult male for the purposes of their religious beliefs. FIFY.
     
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    What florist was put out of business? The only thing I cold find was an article in the Christian Science Monitor...
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2016/0712/A-florist-caught-between-faith-and-financial-ruin
    Barronelle Stutzman loved doing custom floral work for Robert Ingersoll. He became one of her best customers, often encouraging her creativity.
    “Do your thing,” he would tell her when placing an order. And he loved what she did.
    Over the years, Mr. Ingersoll spent nearly $4,500 on flowers and arrangements by the florist in Richland, Wash.
    Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Washington have filed discrimination lawsuits.​

    I'm sure you understand the difference between "have filed discrimination lawsuits" and "was put out of business". But you just had to spin it your own way, didn't ya.

    Do you ever ask yourself why you need to do that? Is it because just being truthful doesn't support your points of view?
     
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    Yeah. Let's go back to the good ol' days where any shopkeepers could refuse service to anyone they wanted to. YeeHaa!
    Yeah. Let's go back to the good ol' days where governments could make some people sit in the back of a bus. YeeHaa!
     
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    You will find that conservatives and Christians were not the ones supporting Jim Crow

    That would be Democrats

    You'd also do well by not trying to equate having gay-sex with race
     
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    That would be conservative democrats
     
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    Orientation is equatable to race.
    Just ask the people that used the Bible to discriminate and arrest interracial couples...
    maybe it was just the action they were involved in :roll:

    All of your arguments have been used before - those too were struck down.
     

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