The New Climate Reality

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  1. MiaBleu

    MiaBleu Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. Happen agree with the population" control " effort. This planet has too man people on it as it is It might reach a critical point very soon.

    but how does one go about doing that ...........without folk screaming that their freedom to procreate will be affected??
     
  2. Jack Hays

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    I am persuaded by the argument of Professor Nir Shaviv, the Chairman of the Racah Center for Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and an IBM Einstein Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study.
    How Climate Change Pseudoscience Became Publicly Accepted
     
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    It is not that complicated right now. Two demographics are responsible, Muslim and Hispanic Christian.

    The rest of the world may notice those are the two immigrating everywhere.

    They need to stop the 10 kid per couple stuff.... or else.

    Every other demographic is pretty much under control....

    Religious leaders want more followers. The only language they will understand is the barrel of a gun....
     
  4. MiaBleu

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    Thank you for the reference . Will certainly check it out.
     
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    You would need to refer that to the poster. I'm just pointing out that his graph could be correct if you look at solar radiation alone.
    The worrying thing is that despite the fact the sun is at a low cycle the world is still heating up. The natural conclusion is that without the reduced solar output earth would be even hotter.
     
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    Cooling began in 2016, and continues.
     
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    More on cooling Antarctica:
    Antarctic Temperatures Were ‘Up To 5°C Above Modern’ From 12,000–2,000 Years BP
    By Kenneth Richard on 7. October 2021

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    A new study indicates that from 4,000 years ago until as recently as 1,500 years ago, or when CO2 levels ranged between 255 and 270 ppm, lake levels in Antarctica were as high as 60 meters above today’s levels. This coincided with “warmer-than-modern paleoclimate throughout the Holocene.”
    During the last 2,000 years, Antarctica’s temperatures have been steadily cooling (Zhang et al., 2021).

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    Image Source: Zhang et al., 2021
    The cooling has continued during recent decades, with East Antarctica cooling -2.8°C and West Antarctica cooling -1.68°C since 1979 (Zhu et al., 2021). The Antarctic Peninsula has been cooling since 1999 (Sancho et al., 2017, Oliva et al., 2017, Turner et al., 2016). . . .
     
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    Co2 is a multiplier read up.
    Trees absorb water from the ground long before it reaches reservoirs. Trees are dry because there has not been enough rain.

    Desalination will become necessary, but it has nothing to do with trees.
     
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    Here in the US we only need to enforce our immigration laws and we have a zero growth rate.
     
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    Ah. So when you repeat a hoax again, making it more recent, it suddenly becomes the truth.
    You think this is going to convince me or anybody else?
     
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    You're not complying with the simple request of sourcing the average global temperature since 2006, yet claim it's getting colder or something.
     
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    I have. And I add, you responded to my response to that poster.
     
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    All are peer-reviewed research. The field has moved on. You should too.
     
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    On the contrary, I have provided multiple sources to support my claim. Here's a sample.

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    Is it peer-reviewed? Who said that?
     
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    It's obvious on this chart that the temperature has gone up since 2006.
    And you put up a chart claiming it's going to be a cooler period after 2006 in post 1233
    So we have settled that you posted nonsense in post 1233.

    Thanks.
     
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    Are you advocating the Chinese approach of forced sterilization and abortion?
     
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    The world, in fact is not heating up. For the reasons cited.
     
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    The chart in 1233 was not about temperature. Sophisticated material can often lead the inexperienced reader astray.
    I have posted and/or linked multiple graphs showing cooling commenced in 2016, as forecast by the link in 1233.
     
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    Its obvious you can read a simple graph.
     
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    And I can't type. That should be -Its obvious you CAN'T read a simple graph
     
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    Lol


    You've been pushing this fraud for decades, and nobody with a brain believes it....


    Lol...
     
  24. Jack Hays

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    Once again, the actual data undermine the orthodox climate alarmist narrative.
    Thunderous New “Atmosphere” Publication: “Warming Of Last 20 Years Mainly Caused By Cloud Changes”
    By P Gosselin on 9. October 2021

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    Science never quits. New findings by German researchers challenge the IPCC’s claim that greenhouse gases drove recent warming. Data point to low cloud cover changes.
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    Warming of the last 20 years mainly caused by cloud cover changes
    By Fritz Vahrenholt and Hans-Rolf Dübal
    (Translated, edited and subheadings by P. Gosselin)

    Hans-Rolf Dübal and Fritz Vahrenholt have investigated the Earth’s radiation balance over the past 20 years in a peer-reviewed publication appearing in ” Atmosphere”.

    The net radiative flux, i.e. the difference between solar irradiance and longwave and shortwave radiation, determines the change in the energy content of the climate system. If it is positive, the Earth is warming; if it is negative, it means cooling. The NASA-operated satellite-based CERES project has now been providing such radiation data, as well as data on the evolution of cloud cover in temporal and spatial resolution for two decades. These data are determined both in relation to an altitude of approx. 20 km (TOA = “Top of Atmosphere”), and also in relation to the Earth’s surface.

    This publication: “Radiative Energy flux variation from 2001 – 2020“, Dübal, H.-R.; Vahrenholt, F., appearing this week in Atmosphere 2021, 12, 1297 has brought to light a surprising result for climate science: the warming of the Earth in the last 20 years is mainly due to a higher permeability of clouds for shortwave solar radiation. During the period, shortwave radiation has strongly decreased (see figure) and this equally for the northern and southern hemisphere (NH and SH). With solar irradiance remaining nearly constant, this means that more shortwave radiation reached the Earth’s surface, contributing to warming. . . .
     
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    Jeez. Co2 warms the atmosphere, making it hold more water (clouds) Those clouds act as a blanket holding in solar energy.
    Your article just confirms what we already know.
    Sigh
     
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