The origins of AIDS and Ebola

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  1. DarkSkies

    DarkSkies Well-Known Member

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    Please remember that one doesn't have to be alive during the first occurrence of a virus to be able to weaponize that same virus.
     
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    Now that the target has officially moved (from HIV being a man-made disease to one that already existed but was 'weaponized'), it would be wonderful if there was actually some evidence of that weoponization. And Gallo taking out a patent or the fact that there are natural resources in Africa do not count as evidence.
     
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    A weaponized virus is literally man-made. It is not a naturally occurring virus, but one developed in labs.
     
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    OK, then HIV is not man-made or weaponized. Glad we are on the same rational page.
     
  5. DarkSkies

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    We are not. The weaponized form of HIV is NOT an evolved form of the SIV. The manipulation of the disease found in chimps gave way to the new HIV.
     
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    Well, you run with that if it brings meaning to your life. It is on the same level as the moon landing hoax theory and the reptilian elite theory.
     
  7. Jango

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    1. The AIDS conspiracy was started by the KGB.

    2. Ebola didn't go away between those years, there were outbreaks. When you use Google, click on 'Search Tools' then click on 'Any time' and choose 'Custom Range'.
     
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    The monkeys they eat manufactured both Ebola and Aid's.
     
  10. DarkSkies

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    Here is a copy of an article that ran in the London Times (May 11, 1987) Titled "Smallpox vaccine 'triggered Aids virus' by Pearce Wright:

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    If that is hard to read, here is a transcription of it:
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    Here is a small propaganda piece for recruiting homosexual men into participating in an hepatitis B vaccine experiment.
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  11. Peter the Roman

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    My opinion is that HIV does not exist, and any virus may not exist either.

    Regarding HIV, I deeply studied the subject 15 years ago, reaching the conclusion that an Australian scientists named Perth Group are right: the existence of HIV is not proven, because purification of the alleged virus has never been achieved, and this is a necessary (not sufficient) condition.

    You can see who the Perth Group are and what claim here:

    https://hiv-may-not-exist.blogspot.com/2016/03/who-perth-group-are.html

    There are other dissidents more well-known, like a retrovirologist named Peter Duesberg, who claims HIV exists but is a passenger virus not causing any disease, but I certainly think he is wrong. It is important to discern his position is completely incompatible with Perth Group's position: the virus exists or not exist, both things are not possible, so if you are going to study this matter it would be necessary to finally intuit who is right, and discard the other. To take such decision I suggest to resort to this link:

    http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/award.htm

    There you can find a lot of technical discussion between dissidents regarding HIV existence.

    Regarding any other virus, I am not sure, but an important mainstream retrovirologist named Robin A Weiss affirms that if the Perth Group were right, then any virus with a lipid envelope, like small pox, influenza, measles, mumps or yellow fever, would not exist either. He used this argument to discredit the Perth Group, but I suspect that actually all viruses could be a science delirium. There is a book written by Janine Roberts titled Fear of the Invisible that give me that impression. A review of the book and additional information can be read here:

    http://www.davidpratt.info/roberts.htm

    For me it is now very difficult to believe in such tiny particles, specially alleged HIV, causing any disease. It is much more plausible they are actually the consequence of a disease. An ill person with certain symptoms similar to HIV symptoms expresses those particles too, a fact that was confirmed with this electron microscopy study:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3371979
     
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    That link does not work anymore, I put the current link:

    https://hiv-probably-does-not-exist.blogspot.com/2016/03/who-perth-group-are.html
     
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    One thing that I do know is that the truth about how a male being circumcised made it nearly impossible for a circumcised husband to catch AIDS from his HIV infect wife was hidden from most people.

    Another detail is that nutritional sugars that are natural and low cost proved to be effective against HIV but the truth on that topic was hidden as well.

    The truth on how adding eighty or ninety trace minerals to the human diet was also hidden from victims of HIV and all the rest of us as well.

    Gay Community may play role in assisting humans to live to a hundred and be healthy!


     
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    Truth is there are a LOT of viruses that cross from animals to humans and the only thing that saved us was transmissibility - that is until COVID of course. We are ultra lucky that the Hendra virus was not that transmissible
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    57% mortality

    We also have a Lyssa virus

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    which let’s pray do not mutate
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    First off, there is no scientific basis for the existence of viruses. This applies to all so-called "viruses", including HIV, ebola, and even rabies. There are plenty of whistleblowers on this issue, like Dr. Andrew Kaufmann, Dr. Tom Cowan, Dr. Stefan Lanka, Dr. Duesberg, Kary Mullis (PCR inventor/Nobel Laureate), and Dr. Robert Willner, among others.

    If you want to know what's killing millions of Africans, look at mass vaccinations, industrial pollutants, malnutrition & famine, resource scarcity, recreational & medical drugs, and violence & war.
     
  16. Peter the Roman

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    Please let me correct you, because I'm afraid Peter Duesberg is not a viruses denier. He claims HIV virus indeed exists, although it's an inoffensive virus and not the cause of AIDS. Also, Kary Mullis, even being PCR inventor and Nobel Laureate, was a Duesberg disciple, he agreed with him at least.

    On the other hand, we must include the Perth Group as, in my view, the most important dissident scientists. They didn't deal with alleged viruses in general, but they did an extraordinary work questioning HIV virus, many years ago.

    The next link could be certainly clarifying:

    http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/award.htm
     
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    True about Duesberg & Mullis. I was merely referencing names of "whistleblowers", but I should've clarified that not all of them are virus deniers. Still, their research does lend further evidence to virus skepticism. Dr. James Hildreth of John Hopkins-Baltimore has even noted that “the [HIV] virus is fully an exosome in every sense of the word.” He's also not a virus denier, and has been doing damage control after virus skeptics have jumped all over this statement. But it makes one wonder what kind of "hard scientific evidence" could he possibly be relying on that convinces him in the existence of viruses. Or is he just protecting his career/pocket book/reputation?

    By the same token, many anti-vaxxers are not virus deniers either.

    It seems most people of the world simply cannot fathom how so many scientists, doctors, researchers, and international leaders could be so easily duped into such a hoax. But at least they're now, more than ever, beginning to question it all --- viruses & vaccines.
     
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    Wow! this was from August 15, 2015. @DarkSkies was already aware of the SARS virus---the same one that causes COVID19.
     
  19. Peter the Roman

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    I put here (below) just-baked Neville Hodgkinson's articles about AIDS and what he calls "the illusion of HIV".

    Hodgkinson is the former Sunday Times medical and science correspondent, who created an international storm many years ago, by reporting a scientific challenge to the HIV theory of AIDS. In those articles (below), he explains very well what Australian scientists named "Perth Group" supported. He talks about Peter Duesberg too, explaining the differences between his position and that of the Perth Group:

    Duesberg put forward what he called the drug/Aids hypothesis, which argued that heavy, long-term drug use was the main cause of Aids. He saved many lives through campaigning against the first ‘anti-HIV’ drug AZT, heavily promoted as the ‘gold standard’ of treatment but later found to have killed thousands. When its use was finally wound down, part of a reduction in disease and deaths that followed was mistakenly attributed to the drugs that replaced it.

    The Perth scientists agree that heavy recreational drug use can be a principal cause of oxidative stress and Aids, and that AZT was worse than useless. Their theory goes wider, however. They share Duesberg’s view that Aids is not a sexually transmitted infectious disease, but argue that one of the main causes of both ‘HIV’-positivity and Aids is anally deposited semen.


    Articles:

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk...ion-dollar-illusion-of-aids-and-hiv-part-one/
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/exposed-the-multi-billion-dollar-illusion-of-hiv-part-2/
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/exposed-the-multi-billion-dollar-illusion-of-hiv-part-2-2/
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/exposed-the-multi-billion-dollar-illusion-of-hiv-part-4/
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/exposed-the-multi-billion-dollar-illusion-of-hiv-part-5/
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/exposed-the-multi-billion-dollar-illusion-of-hiv-part-6/
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/exposed-the-multi-billion-dollar-illusion-of-hiv-part-7/

    Finally, if you were interested in a little more technical explanation of Perth Group's position, you could read this previous Hodgkinson's article too:

    http://theperthgroup.com/HIV/NHSummaryVLNOFinal.pdf
     

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