"can only win by cheating". Those deflated balls made them win be 38 points with 3 RUSHING touchdowns? LOL! What a pathetic statement!
Sad that cheaters have so many supporters This is why we have so many rules, laws, regulations and most of all government control can't trust the people anymore.
"The League has suspended Brady four regular season games and penalized the team for $1 million and 1st round draft pick." I am not into sports, but that sure seems like a lame punishment for cheating
In as much as how corrupt the Olympic is at least the Olympic officials still have the integrity and guts to take away already won gold medalist from cheaters regardless of which powerful country those athletes are from they will take those Gold Medals back and strip those cheaters of the title.
Funny how you Brady/Belicheat worshippers ASSUME we hate the cheats.we only hate the fact that they had to cheat to do it.there is a difference. Plus its funny that you say I hate them when in fact,I was happy as hell the year Brady won their first superbowl and cheered them on to win all their superbowls EXCEPT this last one.no nice theory that I hate them but no dice. the chargers being my favorite team,I am an AFC guy so I always root for the AFC to win the superbowl all the time. I was in fact doing cartwheels and throwing a party when the cheats beat the Rams in that superbowl because growing up I was always a LOS ANGELES Rams fan and then they left,I felt hurt and betrayed and ever since then have always rooted for the team that plays them to win each week so hate to break your heart,but your logic fails miserably there.so much for your theory I hate them. Only times I did NOT cheer on the AFC to win the superbowl matter of fact ever since the 90's was when the colts played cause I hate Peyton Manning so just this year and last year were the only times I did not cheer for the AFC to win. I have always hated the dallas cowboys but guess what? I gave them credit and tipped my hat off to them in the 90's when they beat the Bills and the Steelers.It was especially hard to do that for the Steelers cause I have always liked them The Cowboys team back then I can at least respect since they did not cheat to do so. - - - Updated - - - you are so much in denial.that is sad.
Its lame as hell.mere slap on the wrist.the cheats are the rich spolied brats of the NFL who get special treatment.someone like cleveland or baltimore for example,if they did that,their quarterback would get suspended at least for 8 games and the coach the entire season.the cheatriot apologists are pathetic.
It was so improbable that new england got caught cheating with the deflated balls imagine how many times NE cheated and was not caught, not just with deflated balls but other things...
personally I think cheating like this shoudl mean permanent banning from the game it would be like finding out someone used steroids in the Olympics look what happened to Armstrong..... "Banned for life! Disgraced Lance Armstrong STRIPPED of seven Tour de France titles as he stops fighting doping charges" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cycling-life-stripped-Tour-France-titles.html .
Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson, Marion Lois Jones, and many more were strip of their titles and banned for life to compete.
to me, this entire fiasco has been an issue of due process in contract law. you can not suspend someone without pay with nothing more than "more likely than not, he was involved" it makes no difference whether it's a teacher making 50k, or an NFL QB making 5mil/year. They both get due process. The argument "Brady can afford it" has no bearing on whether you are allowed to bypass due process. The cooperating with the investigation part is simply slander and libel as the NFL can't legally compel his personal phone. He didn't have to destroy it at all and he dang sure doesn't have to give it up. The NFL is supposed to prove his guilt, not require him to prove his innocence. All giving up a phone can do is incriminate yourself. a secondary issue with giving up his phone, is his privacy. When the NFL got the NFL-Email account emails... they assured Brady they would be private but yet, it got leaked to ESPN and broadcast out. And now Brady is supposed to trust that his personal texts, his banking information that's on the phone, etc, won't get leaked as well. Brady is going through a very personal (and should be private) and very tough situation with his wife currently.... you know ESPN would love to pay some low level NFL employee, TRIPLE THEIR SALARY, for texts that had Brady talking badly about his wife, or information about the reason why they are having marital issues. I have sat through some bogus HR meetings and the first thing the union rep tells you, the person being investigated, is..... SHUT THE FRONT DOOR..... it is NOT your job to prove your innocence by trying to explain yourself in situations that are no win..... even if you are innocent. When you have a person trying to justify their career by ruining yours.... finding the truth is never the goal.... They simply try to let you hang yourself with the rope they provide. IDC if Tom Brady deflated footballs or not, I pretty much assume he did...... but the onus is on the NFL to PROVE GUILT!!!
that doesn't prove Brady did it, or knew about it..... you can't suspend Brady for anything until you do.
It prove there was cheating and Brady refused to cooperate to clear himself. He was suspended for refusing to cooperate with the investigation.
it's not on him to prove his innocence with due process, it's on the NFL to prove his guilt. That's what you fail to comprehend, or just plain out ignore in your bloodlust to punish a team that is better than yours. again, the NFL has no legal authority to compel his phone and then claim he didn't cooperate because he said no. They were able to compel his emails because they were on his NFL email account, but that proved nothing, and it still got leaked to the press like they said wouldn't. his actions were what a guilty man does, no question..... but unless Goodell has evidence.... then he can just pound rocks. It's not my job to admit guilt because you aren't good at your job.
The NFL has the evidences the footballs and because the whole New England organization refused to cooperate with the investigation the guilt lies on them not on the NFL that is why the NE will always carry this guilt and for every games they win will always be tainted with cheating.
just because you think Brady should have to hand over his private cell phone, just so the NFL can appease the fan-bases of all the other teams, does not make it legal. Sure the NFL can ask Brady to see his phone, but he's under no legal obligation to do so. and refusing to do so does not mean he can be suspended for non-cooperation..... I understand you think due process doesn't apply to the NFL because it's simply a game, and not "a job"..... but this is simply contract law 101..... I'm contract employee too, but if my boss is investigating me for something.... bring a warrant if you want my phone.... because innocent or not, I'm not giving up my phone with private texts to my wife that can be taken out of context.... my financial information that is on my phone, etc. But the NFL couldn't get a warrant for his phone since this wasn't a criminal investigation. Brady told them to pound sand... as he should have. I hate the patriots, and think Tom Brady is entitled..... but my negative opinion of him does not allow me to skip due process because karma is taking too long to catch him.....
This is not about the fan base this is about clearing Brady's involvement it is about NFL code of conduct and rules and regulations . Brady's action of none cooperation with eh NFL is about protecting his employer not about the integrity of the investigation. For what ever reason if the NE fired Brady then that will be the time Brady will tell the truth. NFL is doing its job and the investigation is part of that due process that Brady refused to take part. If your boss is investigating you for something it is because of evidence of wrong doing and your refusal to cooperate with your boss will be subject to you being suspended or fired unless you have the boss wife backing you up. The police won't care if you have private text they'll seize everything and anything to investigate any crime accuse of you. The NFL is a private organization it is acting based on their guidelines the request for Brady's cooperation was needed to clear him and or the NE organization both NE and Brady chose to violate NFL rules. Brady's action and NE will go down in history that "cheaters can get away". They have set a bad example and have tarnish the integrity of NFL as a whole. Due process is for him to cooperate he now has the NE by the balls they'll have to treat him very well until he retires.
I'm adding numbered points so we don't get into a huge multi-quote mess with things.... 1. it's not refusing to cooperate with an investigation if they can't legally compel the cell phone in the first place. Him choosing to give over his phone is up to him. And like I said before... personal texts with his wife who he's having marital issues with would bring a large price tag for whomever can leak those to TMZ.... His personal bank info... etc. this is not a criminal investigation, so no warrant can be served, so it's not failing to comply.... no suspension. 2. Because they aren't entitled to what they were asking for. If my boss asks me for my personal phone to verify I didn't call her an ********.... and then suspends me for non-cooperation with an investigation if I don't..... I will win that court case, just like Brady did. 3. Running theme..... my boss has to have a warrant to search my phone. as a teacher under contract law, my cell phone can be compeled easier because it involves kids, and if it's a crime with a kid... warrants get issued. But I was accused of posting on facebook after being told not to and they had a 2 day suspension waiting for me. They told me "well, pull up your facebook and show us you didn't post, and everything is fine." uhhhhh, kiss my ass, no. Before you suspend me.... prove my brother didn't hack into my facebook because I accidentally left my account signed on at his house and he didn't hack me. FWIW - I still got suspended but before it came out of my check for not cooperating with the investigation by letting them see my account, the union stepped in and said exactly what I did. So I never lost pay. Had I surrendered that information, however, I would have lost that pay. They couldn't compel my facebook information because what the post in question was about was being bored in planning, not something illegal involving a student. And I didn't have to let them investigate my account, or phone, to prove I didn't do it. I'll tell you here and now... I absolutely posted that post in question, during planning. "I'm bored, someone please shoot me". So, had they pulled it up, they would have found what they were looking for. The thing is, even if my brother had really hacked my account and posted it for me playing around.... if the school pulled up my account, it still would have shown up on my facebook wall. But it's not up to me to prove my innocence, or comply with tactics that I am not legally obligated to comply with. IDC if Brady did do it..... he's not compelled to let them read his texts. 4. Are their rules in the NFL contract that says "you must surrender your personal cell phone during investigations, so we can read your texts" because if not... again, they are not allowed to suspend them because he refused to let them have his cell phone.
Cooperation with the investigation is not just Brady's cell phone his cell phone is just part of it that plays a key role. What ever personal staff Brady has on his cell phone for sure it would contain his involvement in cheating. Brady's' action is worse than other players that were involved in situations outside of the NFL those players were punished but not Brady that was involved in actual incident of a game a Play Off game for that matter. The very reason why Brady is able to get away is because he has the backing of the NE organization no matter how you twist and flip to defend Brady's and NE's cheating the bottom line is they refused to cooperate and that live the NFL no choice but to decide on what they have on hand and what they have is that Brady and NE refused to cooperate but most of all the hard evidence that there were not just one or two or three footballs that were tampered with but 10 out of 12. It would seems Brady and NE instead of choosing to clear the accusation against them they chose to twist things around. The court's decision has nothing to do with the cheating but more so on the process of the suspension.
that's fine... I agree with that... the reason Brady isn't suspended is NFL ineptness during the investigation, and Roger Goodell's incompetency...... but bottom line, if Goodell can't prove guilt, you can't suspend. If you aren't allowed to legally compel the cell phone.... as the accused.... rule number one is NEVER VOLUNTEER INFORMATION. EVERYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU. Even if you are innocent.
Brady and NE are still tainted because they never came out to tell the truth. The integrity of the NFL, Brady and NE is the main subject the NFL did its part to uphold the NFL's integrity by responding to complaints of allegation of cheating and clearly there was enough grounds and evidence to investigate it while the main suspects Brady and the NE in spite of the 10 tampered footballs they chose to diminish their own integrity by not cooperating and coming up with all sorts of excuses and going outside of the NFL to the courts to get the NFL not to suspend Brady not because Brady cheated but because the lack of due process the due process that the NFL could not proceed because the NE and Brady refused to cooperate the court instead of compelling Brady and NE to cooperate to clear things up decided on technicalities against the NFL. Too many criminals have got away due to technicalities that is why majority of criminals will always plead not guilty in spite of over whelming evidences of their crimes. Stepping forward and telling the truth is the right thing to do for any person with true integrity and honesty clearly Brady and the NE lack those qualities. Nothing can be used against Brady for what he say or share if he is clearly innocent volunteering to clear things up or honesty step forward is the basic tenet that every good parents teach their children.
