The Pentagon on 9/11

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    I was using the measurements that were in this link which is dead now.
    https://www.flugplatzsiedlung.de/Pent_gate.pdf

    Here's a way to do it. Go to the sixth picture from the top in this link.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20111205224534/http://0911.voila.net:80/index4.htm

    The length of the side of the Pentagon can be used as a reference point. A small error in measurements can turn into a big difference so it has to be super precise. I don't claim to be able to to that but here's what I got.

    When I put my metric measuring stick on the screen, I got a length of .0016 meters for the length of the space behind the gate-lifting mechanism and and .0114 meters for the length of the side of the Pentagon. The length of the side of the Pentagon is 281 meters. .0016 times 281 divided by .0114 = 39.43 meters which is 96.55 feet according to this...
    https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/length/meter-to-feet.html

    According to this...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757#Specifications

    ...a 757 is 155 feet long.

    I'm not saying I didn't make any mistakes. You people try it and see what you come up with.
     
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  2. Gamolon

    Gamolon Active Member

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    Scott.

    Look at both of your quotes above, paying particular attention to the parts in red. In your first quote above, you refer to the sixth picture as containing the "space behind the gate-lifting mechanism". In your second quote above, you refer to the sixth picture as "the top down picture". The "space behind the gate-lifting mechanism" is shown in the photo AFTER the top down picture.

    Please clarify which photo you used when you placed your measuring stick on the screen.

    Is this the "sixth picture" you are using for measurements:
    topcheck2.jpg

    Or is this the "sixth picture" you used for measurements (top portion):
    aerialcheck2b.jpg
     
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  3. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    It's the top picture.

    Look at the white plane between the two lines. I measured the length of the red line between those two lines where the plane is.
     
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  5. Bob0627

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    Besides trolling you’re always trying to peddle your bull feces. I’m not “stuck” on anything. If I wanted to I could have just posted the link to the first video but I did post all of them didn’t I fake one? If anything you’re the one who tried hard to avoid discussing the first video which includes many important points. I never had any issue with discussing any of these videos they are all quite informative. They may make a strong case for a large airliner crashing into the Pentagon but they don’t make any case that it was AA77 or who or what may have piloted it. In fact those issues are raised as questions by the first video. Again they don’t PROVE anything, that would require a legitimate forensic investigation which never happened.
     
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    Yeah, you scaled something wrong. You either scaled the length of the Pentagon wrong or the length of the red line. According to what you came up with, you should be able to fit just over seven of your "red line, .0016 meter" lengths into your "Pentagon wall, .0114 meter lengths". I can only fit just over five of those lengths. Here are my measurements using the measuring tool in GIMP 2.
    topdownpentagon.PNG
     
  7. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Would you mind doing it with a ruler too? I'd like to see what you come up with.
     
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    yasureoktoo Well-Known Member

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    Like Putin???
     
  9. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    LOL no plane hit the pentagon, thats why the only debris found on scene fit neetly in to the back of a toyota pickup truck 8) and thats why there is no tail fin damage 8) and thats why there is no outerwing damage 8) and thats why rebar in the hole is all bent outward 8), just like the wtc.

    Furthermore photos show the internal damage perpendicular with the wall face. :winner:
     
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  11. Scott

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    No Scott ... I'm not going to take a ruler to my computer screen when I do not understand all the parameters at play ... I also think it is a meaningless exercise considering all the other evidence of a 757 having impacted the Pentagon ... have you even watched the Coste vids yet? ... they are narrated by another truther, David Chandler ... watch the vids and hear how he seems a bit reluctant to confirm all the evidence but in all honesty, he seems convinced that a 757 hit the Pentagon ...

    quit being lazy Scott ...
     
  13. Kokomojojo

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    great then you can be the first person in history to come up with more than a pickup truck load of debris. This oughtta be good peeps since the gubmint couldnt even fake that maybe shine can!
    waiting..............
     
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    Enlarge the picture?

    You are putting a ruler onto a screen and you suggest that it shows 0.4 and 0.6 of a millimetre? The thickness of the lines are wider than within the screen can skew this significantly. This is the kind of "science" a 5 year old would perform.

    Viewed from a camera 45 degrees offset, the length would be 110 feet. Just about 10% discrepancy in your ridiculous method shows a correct figure.

    Please explain why you are more concerned with your inept method being validated, than using the simpler and far more accurate method shown to you(by shinebox), using pixels in the picture? Do you agree with his results?
     
  15. Gamolon

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    Question for you.

    When you physically measured the picture with your metric ruler on the screen, are you saying the ACTUAL length of the red line was 1.6 millimeters and the length of the Pentagon wall was 11.4 millimeters?
     
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    NOT the best way to scale, but here goes.

    Here is the measurement for the Pentagon wall using a metric ruler. About 137 mm.
    measure1.PNG

    Here is the measurement for the red line between the two camera view lines. About 25 mm.
    measure2.PNG

    281 meters (actual length of the Pentagon wall) divided by 137 mm (ruler length) = 2.05 meters per millimeter.

    25 mm (ruler length) of red line multiplied by 2.05 (meters per millimeters) = 51.25 meters which is 168.14 feet.
     
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    Wait.

    Look at my picture below. Is the space designated by my yellow dimension lines the space you measured? Or did you actually measure the length of the red line like you said above?
    measure3.PNG
     
  18. Scott

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    I seem to have made a mistake with the decimal point but I made the same mistake with both measurements so it worked out the same. I should have said...

    .016 times 281 divided by .114 = 39.43 meters.


    We truthers think that public-relations agencies put bogus sites on line in order to obfuscate situations such as this. You're asking me to take it on faith. Anyway, there's nothing inaccurate about using simple measurements. Let's stick to direct measurements with rulers.

    I measued the actual length of the red line.


    There's something strange going on here. When I put my ruler against the sceen and get the measurements of your blow-up, I get .042 meters for the space where the plane is supposed to be and .261 meters for the length of the Pentagon wall.

    .042 times 281 divided by .261 = 45.21 meters.

    I did my measurements gotten from the sixth picture from the top in this link again...
    https://web.archive.org/web/20111205224534/http://0911.voila.net:80/index4.htm

    ...and I got the same thing as before. There's a difference of 5.78 meters between what I got with your blow-up and what I got with the picture on the screen.

    Please hold your rulers up to the screen and measure the actual picture on the screen and tell me if you get .016 for the space where the plane is and .114 for the length of the wall.
     
  19. Shinebox

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    where do you get your statement of a pickup truck load of debris from? ... would love to see you provide evidence of that ... do you have it in gif form seeing that gifs are the only "evidence" you ever offer? ...

    more troofer nonsense ...
     
  20. Gamolon

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    Scott, what unit of measurement is your ruler broken down into? Millimeters? So when you measure you're getting 16 millimeters and 114 millimeters respectively when using your ruler?
     

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