MODERATOR'S WARNING - Rules 2,3,4, and 5 This thread has had close to one hundred post deletions for insults, flamebaiting, harassment, altering another's quotations, and off topic posts aimed at another poster, as opposed to the subject at hand. Any further instances of insults, flamebaiting, or addressing other posters will result in an immediate thread ban. Post which are in violations will be treated as if formal warnings with points have already been levied. - Lee S on 1/20/19. There is a tremendous amount of controversy regarding the alleged large airplane impact at the Pentagon among those who don't buy the OCT. Some well known researchers claim that using the scientific method, they have concluded that a large plane did indeed impact the Pentagon on 9/11. They do not make any claims about any alleged hijacking or that any human pilot guided the alleged plane into the Pentagon, just that it was a large plane and very likely Flight 77. There are several articles and videos on the subject at this site: http://www.scientificmethod911.org/pentagon.html Many posters in this forum reject the idea that a large plane impacted at the Pentagon for many reasons. I personally am not convinced about anything about the Pentagon given the entity that gave us the story and the lack of key evidence, namely videos and the missing matching of serial numbers from the alleged recovered parts (especially the FDRs) to the actual logs of the physical planes, among other issues. And unlike one article called Bringing Closure to the 9/11 Pentagon Debate, IMO there is no closure to be had without a legitimate investigation into 9/11, which I know will never happen. Nor do I believe the Pentagon controversy distracts from anything with regard to 9/11 OCT skeptics, just the opposite, everything about 9/11 should be on the table, nothing should ever be omitted/ignored. The OCT after all, was and still remains a criminal fraud in its entirety. http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/10/07/bringing-closure-to-the-911-pentagon-debate/ I would like a discussion on the subject with those who don't buy the OCT. Note this would not be about the Hani Hanjour myth, I don't believe anyone who rejects the OCT believes that fairy tale story and as already explained, it is not part of the scientific method used on the subject. There is a 3+ hour long video presentation by Barbara Honegger where she rejects the large airplane impact theory in favor of explosives. It's called Behind the Smoke Curtain: [video=youtube;sALa-E56Zms] And a paper that refutes her claim called The Pentagon Event: The Honegger Hypothesis Refuted http://www.scientificmethod911.org/docs/Honegger_Hypothesis_042916.pdf Note that the source for all the above are from those I personally consider reliable and/or genuine experts. Of course everyone is invited, I am not in any position to say otherwise. However please keep in mind that I may not respond to those I consider disingenuous posters, depending on the content of their individual post. I'm much more interested in a discussion on the subject with those who do not buy the OCT.