The Police are the Problem

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  1. Mike12

    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    It is clear from videos..

    and what is your evidence that this was racism, prove it!
     
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    You mean the bodycams that will convict those officers of 2nd degree MURDER?
     
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    That you CANNOT substantiate your BOGUS allegation is NOT my problem.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    Nope you overreached. Not gonna get second because they can’t show intent. Especially given the first video we have where they’re showing restraint.
     
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    Anyone who read murder 2 in Minnesota law agrees that these cops won’t be convicted on that charge.
    Here is what will happen: Chauvin will be convicted with manslaughter 2 and will probably do 10 years. 2 rookie cops will be set free as their defense will be predictable “we were following senior officers lead”. The Hmong officer will probably walk away too, but he might be convicted of some lesser charge and get a mix of probation/fine.
     
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    Can't name a thing huh? Thought not.
     
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    yeah I loved his screed about what he does when he sees a cop coming in his direction. No wonder he has problems with cops. Every damn thing he does is just about guaranteed to to put them on high alert.
     
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    Guess that's your way of admitting you lost the debate. Every Democrat has a unique signature when they fail. Most resort to name calling. Kudos to you for admitting the flaws in your views graciously.
     
  9. ImNotOliver

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    Republicans are really bad at governing diverse cities. In fact, it seems to me that Republican ideology would demand that a Republicans be horrible at governing anything but a monoculture. That Democratic mayors and city councils run cities is because they can. At least since the time of Jefferson it has been recognized that there is a structural difference in the way liberals and conservatives (whigs and tories in Jefferson’s time) think.

    One of those differences is that whereas a conservative mind cares most about them, theirs, and those like themselves, the liberal tends to also care about the plight of those unlike themselves. In Jefferson’s letters he often expressed his vision that one day the people of European descent, Middle Easterners. Hindi from India, the Chinese, the Blacks, the Native Americans, and the Jews could live together as neighbors in America. That the wealthy be restrained, mostly through taxation, and that all children be given an equal opportunity at life with free, to the student, public education and a merit based employment environment.

    The primary reason that Blacks vote Democratic in such high numbers is because conservatives have such a long and horrid of not being very nice to Black people, often heard saying the most hateful things. Back in the day, when the Republican Party was liberal and the Democratic Party was full of racist conservatives, Blacks voted for Republicans in overwhelming numbers. But ever since the Republicans have become the Party that stands in opposition to civil rights, it forces Jews, Blacks, Gays, and Hispanics into the Democratic camp.




    The primary reason that the police in liberal cities are known for their racist and unnecessarily brutal behavior is because liberals call them out for it. Liberals make a big deal out of it. Conservatives, as this thread bears out, are much more likely to excuse bad behavior by the police. The truth of the matter is, is that one is far more likely to be stopped and ticketed or arrested in a red state than a blue one. Southern lore is rife with crooked sheriffs. There are more people in “the system” in the South than else where. The South overloads our position as the country that jails more of its citizens than any other country.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is the problem. Like the media....you start with a lie.
    It was not four officers killing a black man. One officer killed a black man and he was locked away and charged. The other three were eventually charged but there are facts that you and the lying media choose to ignore!
    First, you want to make it a racial issue....white on black. Of the three other officers, one appeared to be black, the other Asian. That is never even considered. They are locked away and that point is not even made.
    Second, of the three, two were absolutely rookies in training. The officer comitting the murder was their trainer. He had no business "training them". It has been stated one of them even questioned his actions. This was a failure of leadership and I would say the one who put the murderer in charge should be every bit as responsible as the three you describe as murderers.
    You may be a blond, blue eyed white boy as you have proclaimed, but you seem to be obsessed by white guilt. If I were to paraphrase your Presidential Candidate I would say....."you aint no white boy!"
    You sound mor like a paranoid ghetto boy raised with not father and taught by your peers to fear every police officer you see.
     
  11. Mike12

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    and he only cares about 2% of black lives as the other 98% killed by black people don’t seem to matter to him. This, is racism, to only care about the minority of black lives ended by white cops but not care about the 98%, these lives don’t matter because it’s black on black. Is there anything more racist than this?

    guys like him also scour the internet for the rare white cop using excessive force but never videos of cops putting themselves in harms way or being assaulted, as below video shows:


    Guys like him don’t care about black lives, there is more sinister motive at play - he and his fellow liberals want no law and order, they want gangs and criminals to roam free and take total control of cities, a violent revolution against free market capitalism, european colonialism, whiteness, founding fathers and constitution, and more. Dangerous and wicked ideology at play here.
     
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    Terminate This police Department and replace them with qualified, certified, insured, properly trained and equipped private armed security under City Contract.

    HOW ABOUT HELL NO!? Minneapolis Mayor to Seek Federal Aid after Looters Cause At Least $55 Million in Damage.

    Minneapolis’s government, top-to-bottom controlled by Democrats, is the author of Minneapolis’s misfortunes. Minneapolis voters voted for them, and they deserve to get what they voted for good and hard. Why should taxpayers from more civilized parts of the country foot the bill?
     
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    There is no legal framework for abolishing police and replacing them with armed guards. Police do need to have certain legal immunity, there is no question about it. Having said that, it should be much easier to fire a cop than what it is now.

    Added: as for Minneapolis asking for money - F!ck them! They caused this mess, they should pay for it and be happy they don’t pay reparations to other communities that got damaged by something that’s totally out of their control.
     
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  14. ImNotOliver

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    On my twentieth birthday, I had gone out partying with my friends. One of them brought along his new girlfriend. Or at least he thought she was. She was quite beautiful in a young Sally Fields kind of way. She had long golden blonde hair, bright blue eyes and silky white skin. As the party got going, my friend suggested, half jokingly that his girlfriend give me a birthday kiss. She did and soon after became my girlfriend. For the sake of the story let’s call her Tammy.

    A couple of months later Tammy and I, and another couple had gone to one of the many overlooks that are in the Denver area. There we met with other people we knew. At some point we noticed that there was another group of people who were watching us. So Tammy starting insisting that we give them a show to see. So we, and the other couple climbed into the car, ducked down and started rocking the car, all the while making moaning sounds. The other guy kept in sitting position and was putting on an act like he was getting the best bj ever. Tammy and I were just rolling with laughter on the floor of the back seat. The people that were watching starting yelling insults at us. Which only encouraged us and upped the entertainment value.

    Eventually things spiraled out of control and rocks and bottles were being thrown. People piled into their cars and soon there were high speed chases up and down the alleys of Denver. There must have been a dozen police cars and twice as many officers. As may as the young adults who were involved. They even brought along a couple of paddy wagons. As they pulled people out of the cars one officer pulled Tammy and me aside and had us sit on a small grassy hill.

    There we sat in the cool night air watching as the police pulled people out, one by one, searching each, and then rummaging through the cars as each car became empty. Quite a few were put in handcuffs and loaded into the patty wagons. Others were given citations . Slowly the cars began to drive away, The patty wagons drove off. A couple of cars were loaded up behind tow trucks, and off they went. There we sat Tammy and I, in the dark of the night, the instigators that got it all started. Agitated the combatants as it progressed, all for our amusement. Everyone had gone but just we two, as nothing screams innocence more than silky white skin and bright blue eyes.
     
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    Show me where it is prohibited.
    They need to have EXACTLY the same accountability as everyone else, in our civil society.
    Yup.
     
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    Yes, white privilege, is it?


    why do twice as many whites get killed by cops vs blacks though?

    the 75 year old pushed to ground by police, yeah that viral video, he black?

    let’s do a test, you can be the subject, i take notes. Like mike brown, yell obscenities at cops and try to grab their guns. Go ahead and commit several crimes and then resist arrest..

    We can then look at the results. Let’s see how the blue eyes and blonde hair protects you.
     
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    When you are 17 and an officer has his gun out, one doesn’t tend to object.
     
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    You tell the weirdest, most pointless, stories.
     
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    I-25 just south of the exit to Barbour Ponds. I’m sure we were stopped because of the stereotype thinking the police use. I’m sure they saw a Chevy Chevelle SS with four teenagers and appeared to be loaded down. They probably figured they were sure to find something.
     
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    Figures. Not that far from Boulder.
     
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    Studies have shown that a higher police presence in high crime areas results in actually lowering crime in those areas. I am all for the police going into these areas and being a bit more heavy handed if it means cleaning out the criminals and thieves. Society operates far better when bad actors are in prison. The citizens that still live there can self regulate better and live in peace. It's what we all want.

    High crime are high crime for a reason and they need to be dealt with. This "neutering" of Police Officers and departments will be catastrophic for cities that continue this practice. Communities that dismantle Police Departments will become targets of looters who move in from other areas and take advantage of the fact that there will be no recourse against them. Imagine leaving your house to go to work with people standing outside watching you leave. You come home after work and everything is gone. The people that did it, still standing outside waiting for another target.

    This entire #BLM and "America is racist" is just another farce. A lot of it, almost all of it, stems from left wing poor leadership and poor parenting. We have allowed to much of the riff raff to have a voice where they don't deserve it and have allowed many to side step rules, regulations and laws at the expense of those working and paying taxes. It's a disgrace and getting rid of police departments will only make it worse.
     
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    The problem isn't cops, the problem is criminals if it weren't for criminals we'd not needed cops.
     
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    Anarchist are always opposed to authority.
    Chaos is the goal......

    Communists, Fascists, Marxists, Socialists and all who resent freedom and liberty champion the defunding of duly appointed and locally applied Policing....to be quickly replaced by their own brownshirts.

    Authoritarians use anarchy and chaos to conquer nations
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-n...as-tools-of-communist-subversion_2589853.html

    What's going on now is all planned.....and it's working.

    I guarantee you somewhere, a plan is being concocted to disarm Americans.
    They are extremely clever and will find a way that is highly effective.
    Their plan cannot prevail until you are helpless.

    The kicker: The longer you remain silent and unwilling, the worse it will eventually be for you.
     
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    this is why trump got elected and will get elected again.
     
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    I was arrested once, even charged with a crime. I had gone to the doctor’s office and on the way out was ambushed by a couple of police officers. Agent Smith types. (Matrix reference). It is like they clone them. There was another cop there who tried to lecture me, I responded by making fun of his robocop outfit and questioned the mentality of a man who would proudly wear such a ridiculous outfit in public.

    Turns out there was this jerk. He was a right wing lunatic. Nearly the entire back of his car was plastered with bumper stickers expressing right wing memes. He was a maintenance guy or something to the building. In court he claimed he was in charge of security. He had told the police that he had excluded me from the building, and as such was I trespassing. Of course he couldn’t do that because it would be violating the tenant rights of the doctor’s office. But the police played along and arrested me.

    Once in court, the Prosecutor, the arresting officer, and my accuser presented a narrative that never happened. What did them in was, as my lawyer explained, cops want to keep their jobs. So as the officer began to tell the false narrative, my lawyer stoped him and told him that previous testimony contradicted his testimony, even though he was telling the exact same narrative that the prosecutor and my accuser had been pushing. But the cop didn’t know that. He stuttered for awhile before saying that he must have confused the case with another and then gave testimony that pretty much damned the prosecution’s case. The court clerk began to roll her eyes and we didn’t even have to present a defense. I remember that just before we entered the courtroom, the prosecutor had taunted us, “what evidence can you present that will get you off”. I looked him square in the eyes and said, “the truth”. Turns out the truth set me free. It made it all the more satisfying as the judge charged the prosecutor for procedural violations.

    I was arrested because of false accusations by a right wing loon who didn’t like me making fun of right wing loons. In a case of karma biting one on the backside, not long after, some homeless people had made a camp on the backside of the building. Their cooking fire got out of hand and caused massive damage to the building, putting my accuser out of a job.
     
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