The Police are the Problem

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  1. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Banned

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    The police in red districts are far worse than the cops in blue districts. What makes the difference is that liberals do not tolerate bad cops and will call them
    out for it. Conservatives, on the other hand, as this thread shows, are quite tolerant of police misconduct. Especially when the majority of that misconduct is being directed at others.
     
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    See, and your own life experience proves it - instead of fighting an officer at the time of arrest, if you are civil and respectful, the court will find the truth, just like it happened with you.
    When a cop is arresting you, it’s too late to reason with that cop. Just don’t resist and embrace the system - in most cases it’s fair and if you were mistreated you’ll get your day in front of judge or jury.
     
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    Many police officers are right wing kooks. Even in liberal towns. It is something about the profession that draws in right wing authoritarian personalities.
     
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    My experience is totally opposite - big city cops are used to crowd and are rude and rough. Small town cops are waaaaay nicer!
    I walked by my grocery store after these protests started and when I saw 3 cops in front of it and I came up to them and thanked them for being there. They were very nice. At the same time I still remember coming up to police to ask for directions in downtown Chicago (when I just moved in to the metro area) and they looked at me like **** and get a map. I couldn’t even figure out what they mumbled, but by their looks I felt like I should leave them alone. Suburban cops are much nicer!
    When it comes to policing, small communities are better at developing connection between cops and residents.
     
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    Ok, then why can’t those liberal towns cleanse themselves of those “racist right wing” cops?
     
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    I don’t think you can reason with most cops. They probably ruin half their cases because of their closed mindedness. Once when Denver was having a problem with police, it revealed that most officers had an IQ of less than 100. It is something that shows up in the way they are trained. Something to do with the personality type that is drawn to police work. That when they go bad, they can blame it on their training, because independent thought isn’t exactly their thing.

    Half the reason George Floyd died was because the police were incapable of thinking differently.
     
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    Pretty much everyone who has driven through the flyover states has had an encounter with a speed trap.
     
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    It’s not an IQ thing.
    It’s more about getting the facts together. Cops need to try to understand what’s going on in very limited time. That’s why 1. - Fighting them is stupid. 2. - The only people who will take time to understand what happened are the prosecutor, your lawyer and the judge.
     
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    So what?
    They still have a much better connection to locals then the cops in big cities.
     
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    Agree completely.

    Because he made the story up and it isn't true. lol
     
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    except for the "arrested and charged with a crime", all of the rest you just made up.
     
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    I think that you are lost in right wing delusions. You keep insisting that somehow this is about White guilt. It is nothing of the sort. It is about right wing authoritarianism. Here on pf it is quite clear. Conservatives prefer a strong police presence, a police state. At least since the time Reagan got elected conservatives have been constantly pushing for more police. The police have become more and more militarized, leaving many cops as perfect little soldiers, but not good cops.

    By the way, whenever a conservative accuses me of lying, they are telling me that they listen to right wing media and don’t know any better.
     
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    LOL... as if we don't already have enough hateful rhetoric around today.... Is that why they all must join the leftist unions that represent them?
     
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    Actually I don’t exist at all according to Republican ideology. So there must be some real confusion on your part.
     
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    I didn't come to the rightful conclusion you are spreading lies like the msm by watching ANY media. You said four policeman murdered a black man. All I concluded is that one man did the murdering. To conclude otherwise is a complete lie. You lie to make it sound like there were four murderers. Somehow it must help to ease the white guilt you feel.
     
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    If it makes any difference, I mostly ignore everything you post because it doesn’t seem to relate to reality in any meaningful way. It is one of those things that liberals have to live with. There are just a great number of conservatives who seem to have a need to trash talk liberals, and usually in ways that do not square with reality. Eventually one learns to just blow them off.
     
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    And then you are surprised that they reacted? You were likely arrested for being a jackass. You may feel like you were justified in your actions, but generally when you treat someone with respect, you will be likely be treated with respect which is something which you have been very slow to learn. My only question is why would you possibly think that such a remark is a good idea? Or possibly you did it without thinking, which is a very real possibility.
     
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    I'm surprised you admit openly to doing that!
     
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    like I said when a conservative starts calling me a liar, they tend to be telling me how misinformed they are.
     
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    Oh please, you sit here and rant about liberal "superiority" daily. I read your post for sheet entertainment to guffaw at the absurdity of them.
     
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    and how will Floyd do this exactly

    you have to survive the bad cops first... and if good cops do not protect us from bad cops... we may not get a day in court

    that said, I do partly agree with you... just not in cases like this

    I would like to think if 4 cops were around, a least one of them would try to keep me safe from a bad cop
     
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    What we do not see are videos prior to the choke hold. Frequently what we do not see is more important than what we do see. I am sure some videos were made. The fact that they are not shared may say volumes. Floyd may have had his opportunity.
     
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    The police are NOT the problem. The problem is the criminals and thugs that think they can commit a crime and get away with it. THEN they fight the police when caught!!!!!!
     
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    This forum is rife with those claiming to be conservatives blaming the victims of police brutality in numerous situations and claiming some excessive uses of force are justified, even appropriate. Just go look through the thread about the coronor's report on Floyd to find people defending the police.

    Saying conservatives support police brutality isn't quite right, but the sentiment is valid. It seems that, except when the victim rises to the level of conservative hero (a la the Bundy's), a lot of conservatives automatically give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt. If nothing else comes out of all these protests, I hope that assumption goes away.
     
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    It is hard to submit with fetonal coursing through your veins. 2 of the other three cops were trainees and the murderer was showing them how it is done.
     

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