The problem of Capitalism

Discussion in 'Economics & Trade' started by stan1990, Mar 13, 2019.

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Do you agree that the main problem of Capitalism is of moral nature?

Poll closed Apr 12, 2019.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Maybe

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  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Yep, million plus acres? Just like owning your backyard. Genius crank, genius!
     
  2. liberalminority

    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    those are all good arguments to ban immigration to America so that all the good land isn't taken, its founders wanted the peasants all to be landowners.

    most landowners are fruitful without peasant labor, they take personal responsibilities for their own harvest.
     
  3. bringiton

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    They wanted to make money by owning land, without having to make any contribution to production.
    No. The landowner qua landowner never contributes anything, and is never fruitful. It is farmers who plant and harvest by their personal responsibility. You just refuse to know the fact that owning land is different from doing something productive.
     
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    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    the founders contributed to their own production with slaves, in those times slaves were considered property.

    today landowners use technology instead of slaves to produce.
     
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    <yawn> I know you know you are too terrified even to offer an argument against my views, because you know you will just be demolished and humiliated again, and the falsity and evil of your beliefs made excruciatingly plain to you.

    Everyone has a right to their rights, even if the evil claim to own them, and even if government agrees with the evil.
    <yawn> Is that what happened when the landless French peasants took the property of the aristos? Is it what happened when the abolitionists took the property of the slave owners?

    LOL!! Wasn't there some other ninny on this forum who was always claiming other members were afraid?

    Thanks for reassuring me that the opposition is still despicable and evil.
     
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    Owning a legal entitlement to take what others produce is not the same as producing oneself. The landowner and slave owner labor at rent seeking -- legally transferring wealth from others to self -- not production (augmenting total wealth).
    No, like the slave owner, the landowner qua landowner never produces, using technology or anything else.
     
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    the peasant class also does not produce upon the land, but someone has to make use of this land.

    it is the landowners right to make use of the land because the landowners forefathers defeated england for land rights

    capitalism's problem has always been peasant uprisings for free handouts, free lunches, and free rides.
     
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    Given the tragedy of the commons is really how they were stolen, its amusing to see centrists referring to rights...
     
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    <yawn> I know you know they haven't, and you are too terrified even to offer an argument against my views because you know you will just be demolished and humiliated again, and the falsity and evil of your beliefs made excruciatingly plain to you.
    You know that everyone has a right to their rights even if the evil claim to own them, and even if government agrees with the evil.
    <yawn> Is that what happened when the landless French peasants took the property of the aristos? Is it what happened when the abolitionists took the property of the slave owners?
    LOL!! Wasn't there some other waste of electricity on this forum who was always talking about other members' "fear," and claiming they were afraid?
    Thanks for reassuring me -- and proving to readers -- that the opposition is still despicable and evil.
     
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    Of course they do.
    No, they do not.
    That is one of the more absurd non sequiturs I have encountered.
    No, capitalism's problem has always been the free handouts, free lunches and free rides given to landowners at the peasants' expense.
     
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    Round and round they go! There has to be economics to destroy an economic argument. Repetition of "its retarded yeah but" avoidance of economics just wont wash
     
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    to the victor go the spoils of war, the Pilgrams defeated england for their land and passed it to their descendants in New England.

    the Presidents father passed wealth to the President

    you cannot take President Trump's real estate holdings because you feel its not fair that he is a Landowner.
     
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    That is an explicitly evil statement because it justifies and encourages the waging of wars of aggression for an evil reason: greed.
    And the justification for any of them owning people's rights to liberty...?

    Thought not.
    It has nothing to do with Trump or my feelings. Landowning is objectively wrongful. It is objectively evil.
     
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    Thanks for proving again that those who oppose liberty, justice and truth are still factually wrong, logically incompetent, morally despicable, personally detestable, and self-evidently evil.
     
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    in the Jewish Torah that is called coveting thy neighbors property, which is considered immoral.

    demonising land owning Americans is not kosher according to many moral compasses
     
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    No, the Jewish Torah specified that land could not be owned as private property:

    "The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with me." -- Leviticus 25:23
    One can't blame people for participating in evil in self-defense. But one CAN blame them for RATIONALIZING and JUSTIFYING that evil just because they are profiting from it.
     
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    Thanks for proving again that those who oppose liberty, justice and truth are still factually wrong, logically incompetent, morally despicable, personally detestable, and self-evidently evil.
     
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    no moses brought the 10 commandments from the mountain, number 10 says do not covet your neighbors land.

    https://www.dummies.com/religion/christianity/catholicism/catholicism-and-the-ten-commandments/
     
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    You mean individuals who insist on not sharing their land/home with those less able? Armchair 'kings' who pontificate from the privacy of their privately held 'palaces'? No peasant shall impinge upon their liberty to enjoy the luxury of privacy!
     
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    See? Immediately, you HAVE to pretend that land, which can only be owned by taking it from others, is the same as a home, which is produced by labor without taking anything from others.
    So you think those less able have less right to life, liberty, and property in the fruits of their labor? Thought so. Your evil blame-the-victim filth reeks of it.
    <yawn> You refuse to know the fact that owning land takes away from others what they would otherwise have, while owning a palace does not.
    Privacy is a right, not a luxury.
     
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    Thanks for proving again that those who oppose liberty, justice and truth are still factually wrong, logically incompetent, morally despicable, personally detestable, and self-evidently evil.
     
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    GARBAGE. It does not mention land. It enumerates some things that clearly AREN'T land, and says "...anything that is thy neighbor's," but Leviticus 25:23 says land can't be your neighbor's or anyone else's property. Land was so important that if the 10th was meant to apply to land, it would have been enumerated along with your neighbor's ox, wife, manservant, etc.
     
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    Yadda yadda. When you start sharing your space with those less able, let me know.
     
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    IMO the charity you advocate is a disgracefully inadequate substitute for the liberty and justice I advocate; but because you hate liberty and justice, you have to pretend you are not evil by constantly braying about your charitable works, like Mother Teresa. I get it.
     
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    Sure, sure. People actually doing something about it are evil, and those who refuse to help are saints. We know.
     

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