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The reason why people are dirty atheists

Discussion in 'Humor & Satire' started by Wolverine, Jun 19, 2013.

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  1. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dark matter at least accounts for a discrepancy - sure, I don't accept its existence, but at least it has that going for it haha
     
    Steady Pie, Jun 21, 2013
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  2. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    If you don't people making fun of your beliefs, don't have such funny beliefs.

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    Dark matter.

    Gravitational lensing.

    Keep up with the times.
     
    Wolverine, Jun 21, 2013
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  3. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gravitational lensing is the discrepancy. Just because your forehead is hot doesn't mean you have a cold.
     
    Steady Pie, Jun 21, 2013
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  4. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    The dependency is the fact that galaxies do not fly apart by their own momentum.

    Gravitational lensing is a means of observing dark matter.
     
    Wolverine, Jun 21, 2013
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  5. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, but we have no way of knowing that it's actually any sort of matter that's causing it. Our theories could simply be wrong.
     
    Steady Pie, Jun 21, 2013
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  6. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

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    True. But since it's behaving exactly like gravity would if there were a large mass, the most logical conclusion is that there is a mass causing it, rather than invent a more exotic theory out of whole cloth.
     
    raytri, Jun 21, 2013
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  7. Herkdriver

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    I find this rather ironic.
    German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche once proclaimed...
    "God is dead." Meaning humankind had no need for deities or supernatural mumbo-jumbo...God is
    irrelevant in modern society. Nietzsche lived a long time ago, in the 19th century and he's long since dead himself. Apparently he can't rest in peace though...
    Source: http://www.spiegel.de/international...sal-threatens-nietzsche-s-grave-a-543222.html

    Rest in Peace...Friedrich
    Well maybe not.
     
    Herkdriver, Jun 21, 2013
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  8. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure Nietsche wouldn't care.

    I'm not sure believers care, either. You know the story of the catacombs in Paris, right? How they fill them with the bones of bodies removed from full graveyards so they can reuse the graveyards for new burials?

    Moving bodies so the land can be used for other purposes is a long tradition, even for the religious.
     
    raytri, Jun 21, 2013
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  9. Herkdriver

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    He has a nice tombstone, in a nice quiet cemetery in a quaint German town.
    I think it's mildly amusing that the very progress he talked about, replacing the need for God...
    is infringing on his final resting place. He was a nihlist afterall...he thought life held no real meaning or purpose...
    that our lives mean nothing, we fade into oblivion. They found coal in the area...and progress will roll over his legacy like a bulldozer; literally a bulldozer.

    Sorry the irony escapes you...
     
    Herkdriver, Jun 21, 2013
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  10. raytri

    raytri Well-Known Member

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    I guess I don't see the irony. He wouldn't care, so it totally wouldn't be an issue that his gravesite is being disturbed.

    For me, the ironic part is that he had a nice big gravesite in the first place. But then, those are for the survivors, not the dead.
     
    raytri, Jun 21, 2013
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    It's regarded as an historic site...alot of people who admire his philosphy, which is often associated with Nihlism...a philosophy with a foundation based in atheism, visit the grave.

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    Auf Wiedersehen

    Coal is more important than a 19th century philosopher.
    Although the article cited is from 5 years ago, so I don't know if the site was preserved or not. Perhaps it's just a question of time.
     
    Herkdriver, Jun 21, 2013
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  12. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ad hominem? Oh noes!
     
    Durandal, Jun 21, 2013
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  13. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    What else would cause a curvature in spacetime that would act exactly like matter?

    You are splitting hairs over a non-issue.
     
    Wolverine, Jun 21, 2013
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  14. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's my point - all we have is the symptom, but no evidence of what the cause might be.
     
    Steady Pie, Jun 22, 2013
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    mikezila New Member

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    it exists because it has to exist to fit previous work.
     
    mikezila, Jun 22, 2013
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  16. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    If it walks like a talks and talks like a duck....

    You are splitting hairs over nothing.

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    It exists because it has been observed.

    Keep up with the times.
     
    Wolverine, Jun 22, 2013
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    mikezila New Member

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    show it and prove it's not just a large mass of hydrogen that hasn't formed into stars...or even strings.
     
    mikezila, Jun 22, 2013
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  18. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Would you like to talk about Russel's Teapot?
     
    Wolverine, Jun 22, 2013
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    mikezila New Member

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    you're the one with the faith in an object that was invented to fit the present model of the universe. it's no different than you asking theists to prove god exists.
     
    mikezila, Jun 22, 2013
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  20. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    What faith is required? Galaxies are heavier than they should be, and oh my god Batman, there is a veil of invisible matter surrounding galaxies.

    How is faith related to observational evidence?

    Thing is, you don't understand the subject, I suggest you stop acting like an authority on it.

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    Dark Matter: Strong Gravitational Lensing
    http://lsst.org/lsst/science/scientist_dark_matter
    Whoops!
     
    Wolverine, Jun 22, 2013
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  21. mikezila

    mikezila New Member

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    yeah, i'll take the word of someone that can't post a link after +10k posts. the facts remain, transparent is not invisiable and mass can only be estimated...and dark matter isn't theorized to be clumped around other bodies, just occupying the vast emptness that is space.
     
    mikezila, Jun 22, 2013
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  22. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Dark matter is not theorized to be clumped together? Then why is it theorized that dark matter clumps around galaxies?
    http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/jun/03/do-dark-matter-discs-envelop-galaxies

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    Dark Matter Clumps

    This map shows the distribution of dark matter in a portion of our universe. It was created with the help of "weak gravitational lensing" -- a natural phenomenon that occurs when light from distant galaxies is slightly warped by the mass of galaxies and clumps of dark matter in the foreground. Astronomers use complex imaging software to analyze images of these warped galaxies, and ultimately to create dark matter maps like this one.

    This map derives from the largest ever survey performed by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope -- the Cosmic Evolution Survey, or COSMOS.
    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/great20101206-i.html

    http://www.space.com/3319-astronomers-create-3d-map-dark-matter.html
    Educate yourself before ever commenting on this subject again.
     
    Wolverine, Jun 22, 2013
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  23. mikezila

    mikezila New Member

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    do you have the slightest understanding of what your saying? dark matter allegedly has gravity, and clumps around other matter, but doesn't form cohesive bodies because it is invisible and can't be touched?....yeah, your faith in an invention of imagination is up there past the fundies.
     
    mikezila, Jun 22, 2013
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Dark matter without gravity is not dark matter now is it?

    Please provide evidence that dark matter does not clump around matter.
     
    Wolverine, Jun 22, 2013
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  25. Steady Pie

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    Theories explain facts. That the facts exist isn't evidence of your explanation. That's what I'm saying.

    General relativity wasn't proven by the fact that it fit our observations, it became accepted by making very accurate predictions (for example, the precession of Mercury). If Dark Matter can do the same, and hence move from the "useful hypothesis that fits the observations" column to the "has made undeniably accurate predictions" category, then we'll be onto something.
     
    Steady Pie, Jun 22, 2013
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