The recent Greenland sheet ice melt is a harbinger, of Mass Extinction Event 6:

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  1. bobgnote

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    Recent disclosure, of warming currents undermining formerly landed glacial ice, in Antarctica are similar harbingers, of M.E.E.6.

    Moreover, this is the sort of media, which leads, to human endangerment.
     
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    Wait a minute I thought all the climate modelers had looked at ocean currents and said that they didn't effect climate?
     
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    Internet popularity is not proof of scientific validity
     
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    From the upper graph - what a pathetic contribution nonfossil fuels make right up to 2035. Anybody see much hope in this scenario?
     
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    Turns out that it is now estimated that the Greenland Ice Sheet collapsed 400,000 years ago raising sea level by around 13 to 19 feet.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/...sheet-collapsed-400000-years-ago/#more-111980
     
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    This is from a completely different angle and most of you will not feel comfortable with this…. but if time itself is not limited to being linear…. but instead branches like a tree or menorah….. we might just be able to learn something from the mass extinct event seen in the future progressions began by Helen Wambach Ph. D. and completed by Dr. Chet Snow!

    http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html


    My suspicion at this moment is that her research may eventually be proven to be evidence that time is not limited to being a straight line……… and that some of the writers in Hollywood actually may know some things about science that most experts tend to miss.
     
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    With the exception of your idea of our needing genetic engineering for botany I basically agree with your theory that we are in a lot of danger and we should take this situation very seriously.

    What do you think about this theory on how to stabilize the climate:



     
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    Wow!!!! Possibly as much as 13 meters higher!!!! Those are the numbers if we assume a collapse of the ice on both Greenland as well as the West Antarctic ice Sheet!!!!
     
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    Well, West Antarctica as a whole is not what is projected to possibly collapse, but only a few valleys of West Antarctica and the estimate is 4 feet between 200 to 900 years from now. Put your Wellies on.
     
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    But...… with the foundation of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet being below sea level...… we do have reason to be worried...… What would happen if a tsunami hit the W.A.I.S?

    There is a good diagram here at this link.....




    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090205142132.htm
     
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    Since it is geophysically impossible for the previous melt scenarios, Greenland (there was more melt from Greenland during the last interglacial), scientists looked at the Ross ice shelf but it is bedded in bedrock so the latest interest is the Amundsen Embayment which is losing ice at an accelerated rate. The actual paper written claims that the Thwaites glacier bottom may become unstable in 200 to 900 years. The NASA NEWS about these papers says the Embayment region contains enough ice to raise global sea level by 4 feet. That is true for the entire catchment basin but the entire catchment would have to become entirely ice free. That is highly unlikely.

    Sea level tipping points are a popular CAGW and media but since many of the previous scenarios are now found impossible, this one is just the latest. The only way you get the levels predicted is if all the CAGW tipping points become true.

    West Antarctica lies on the Pacific Rim of Fire and has active volcanoes.
     
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    so a tsunami hits, how is that related to global warming?
     
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    Well...… a general global warming trend tends to increase the level of evaporation.......... which puts more clouds into the atmosphere..... a percentage of which go over Antarctica......… drop their moisture..... and add pressure to the ice..... which puts pressure on the bedrock below the ice........... which could increase volcanic activity??!!
     
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    So you were stating what if the WAIS caused a tsunami?
     
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    Re desalinization, we need THAT and a lot of dams, since we are going to suffer droughts and deluges, severally, while we will not have enough electric power, which translates to dammit, now.

    We don't have enough people, who know what is going to happen. I agree with your further suggestion that rising sea levels may lead, to tsunami events, since hey, seismic and volcanic events are already on the upswing, and these activities should further increase.
     
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    Droughts are not on the rise globally. Tornadoes are down. Hurricanes are down. Much alarmism about what exactly?
     
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    I sure hope that you are correct!

    If not........ it is theoretically possible to desalinate and divert as much water into desert regions as is melting off Greenland, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and the world's glaciers.

    http://www.israel21c.org/environmen...rld-hunger-with-a-solar-powered-desert-oasis/


    Israel confronts world hunger with a solar-powered desert oasis




     
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    I guess California, Texas, Australia, mid-Saharan Africa and such aren't in your global review, for drought.

    Tornado activity is moderate, all through the alley AND in Europe and Asia, but hey. That will pick up, to go, with the TYPHOONS.

    Hurricane activity is indeed down, since as I've repeatedly noted, and you've repeatedly ignored, during El Nino or neutral ENSO, the North American jet makes a big "Z," and this blows off Atlantic storms, from formation or landfall.

    As I've severally noted, ABC has a weather lady, named Ginger ZEE, but since you ignore my posts AND ABC, hey! You don't get it.

    Why you couldn't get to 23,308 posts and admit, to TYPHOONS has me in awe, of your remarkable ability, to fail, at observation.

    As for "alarmism," what are you referring to, some form of ding-a-ling, for YOU, particularly, so you get prodded, to keep up?

    What'd you do, read part of one of my posts and get kinda awake?
     
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    How a Club of Billionaires and Their Foundations Control the Environmental Movement and Obama’s EPA

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    Droughts are nothing new or did you think they are only because you have not seen it in your lifetime? Did you forget all the alarmism over tornadoes and hurricanes that have not materialized?
     
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    Carbon Tax Repealed: Australian Government Puts People First

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    Excuse me, but are you leaping, to "alarmism," over simple reporting, so you distort or deliberately omit all relevant information, to deflect from your emotional instability?

    What's this, about "forget?" You mean, like how you left out TYPHOONS and any other cyclonic storms, to distort, and now you ramble, about storms, which have "not materialized," when the deferment of said storms has been explained, for you, severally, over years?
     
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    http://www.nature.com/news/mysterio...hane-1.15649?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email

    Never mind what incompetents think happened:

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    When formerly frozen methane melts, this process locks in the slide, into global warming and climate change, IMMEDIATELY.
     
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    No leap was necessary. Just factoids...................WinNing
     
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    Storms have always been detrimental but the alarmism over increased and more powerful storms never materialized. So I ask again, alarmism about what?
     
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