The Religion of Atheism

not me you, should be more careful about those fruedian slips.

But you unequivocally said:

There is nothing what so ever disingenuous in what I said,

since you told me what you do not believe and to everyone on the planet but you apparently knows exactly what that means.

The 'real' question is what kind of shenanigans are you 2 up to now?

 

Apparently your condition also prevents you from reading and understanding complexity or full paragraphs.....this prevents any useful discussion so....

Have A Nice Day

 

No,his condition is pathological dishonesty. He reads and understands... He simply cannot stop himself from lying about what he has read.

 

While this may indeed be true and accurate, careful evaluation over time has led me to understand his condition is more physiological than mental. It may be a combination in that the wiring creates an inherent need to manipulate data toward preconceived opinion in order to maintain fantasy but even then he speaks truth to himself in a way.

 

the only way your arguments survive past round 1 is by assaulting opponents with a constant barrage of redd herrings and when that fails you are forced to resort to name calling.

Beyond that you have nothing else!

One thing about atheist religions is they certainly create colorful ones!
we can see the wonderful beauty that atheist religions offer the world!

Church of Satan

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Not to be confused with The Satanic Temple.

Church of Satan

Sigil of Baphomet, an official symbol of LaVeyan Satanism[1]

Abbreviation CoS
Type New religious movement (Satanism)
Classification Atheistic Satanism
Orientation LaVeyan Satanism
Scripture The Satanic Bible
Theology Egotheism
Governance Priesthood
Structure Cabal
High Priest Peter H. Gilmore
Associations Non-ecumenical
Region International
Headquarters Poughkeepsie, New York
Founder Anton Szandor LaVey
Origin April 30, 1966
The Black House, San Francisco, California
Separations First Satanic Church (1999), Temple of Set (1975)
Members Not disclosed
Other name(s) The Satanic Church
Publications The Black Flame, The Cloven Hoof
Official website www.churchofsatan.com

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The Church of Satan is a religious organization dedicated to Satanism as codified in The Satanic Bible.

The Church of Satan was established at the Black House in San Francisco, California, on Walpurgisnacht, April 30, 1966, by Anton Szandor LaVey, who was the church's High Priest until his death in 1997. In 2001, Peter H. Gilmore was appointed to the position of high priest, and the church's headquarters were moved to Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan, New York City.[2]

The church does not believe in the Devil, nor a Christian or Islamic notion of Satan.[3] High priest Peter H. Gilmore describes its members as "skeptical atheists", embracing the Hebrew root of the word "Satan" as "adversary". The church views Satan as a positive archetype who represents pride, individualism, and enlightenment, and as a symbol of defiance against the Abrahamic faiths which LaVey criticized for what he saw as the suppression of humanity's natural instincts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

Yep Religion! Nope no God there!

Oh look it has atheists! Atheists are there!

Wow atheism is a religion by definition after all!

I cant believe it!

atheists form the Satan religion with no God, whoda thunkt it?

Religion without God.

Atheism is a religion by definition after all!

 

Comprehensive list of people here influenced by this conman's tactics:

 

Thanks for that quote Trevorw2539, I have some reading to do which I suspect, combined with what I recall of Arthur Koestler’s ‘The Ghost in The Machine’ , is going to give me more nightmares than ever. I’m glad I’m at an age where I’ll soon be leaving the planet. For me the hardest thing to cope with today is trying to answer questions from intelligent children about their future.

 

On the other hand many religions have used drugs to ‘put the congregation in the right mood’.

 

Which is precisely the reason "communion" was invented.

 

Absolutely. And drug altered states are often equated WITH a 'religious experience!'

 

An apology and acceptance of the realities will help but, never suffice. Knowing we could not do anything meaningful is the best we have left.

 

Any drug altered states are simply chemical reactions of the brain. Nothing to do with religion.

 

What is “Theistic Satanism”?

There is no such thing. People who believe in some Devilish supernatural being and worship him are Devil-worshippers, not Satanists. Anton LaVey was the first to define Satanism as a philosophy, and it is an atheist perspective. “Theistic Satanism” is an oxymoronic term and thus absurd. In Satanism each individual is his or her own god—there is no room for any other god and that includes Satan, Lucifer, Cthulhu or whatever other name one might select or take from history or fiction.

 

thats easy: "Youre ****ed", thanks in great part to the british atheist movement trying to destroy the last vestiges of your rights, in the name of statism.

the church and religion of satanism is the brainchild of atheists, not theists

Dont be so hard on yourself, a bit orwellian and CD maybe...

 

What is “Theistic Satanism”?

There is no such thing. People who believe in some Devilish supernatural being and worship him are Devil-worshippers, not Satanists. Anton LaVey was the first to define Satanism as a philosophy, and it is an atheist perspective. “Theistic Satanism” is an oxymoronic term and thus absurd. In Satanism each individual is his or her own god—there is no room for any other god and that includes Satan, Lucifer, Cthulhu or whatever other name one might select or take from history or fiction

Isn't that what it says.. The quote comes from the fundamental beliefs of the Church of Satan.

At best they could be called I-theists as they believe in themselves. But they don't worship themselves. I believe in a good meal at dinnertime - but I don't worship it. I believe in my son's academic ability, but I don't worship him or it.

 

Abbreviation CoS
Type New religious movement (Satanism)
Classification Atheistic Satanism
Orientation LaVeyan Satanism

 

No, you’ve got the wrong ingredient. It’s in the incence mate. Several of the components of frankincense etc are chemically similar to THC.
Make em fast for a week, get em into that huge echoing space and blast em with ‘divine’ music and you’ve got em.
Having been a church organist in a cathedral at one time in my misguided existence I’ve seen all this first hand along with the staggering evils perpetrated against the young behind the scenes.

 

You're simply quoting sources other than the Church itself.. Anyone can call anything a religion to suit their purposes. Is drug taking a religion just because it induces 'spiritual' experiences. Atheism is what it the word means 1570s, "godless person, one who denies the existence of a supreme, intelligent being to whom moral obligation is due,"

 

Anything religion does to the brain is also simply chemical reactions of the brain, because the brain is just a physical system, following all the same, natural laws as any other physical system.

 

So what? That does not lend support to your claim that atheism is a religion, which I think we can now conclude was a spectacular failure.

 

Satanism is a paper tiger invented by the Vatican itself or have we forgotten the Spanish Inquisition?
Those who eventually decided to formalise a ‘religion’ around Satanism were mostly attracted to the naughtiness of the entire process.
The other side of that coin is the common sexual disfuntion of many who see themselves as representatives of Christ on earth being incapable of sexual arousal until and unless they imagine themselves to be being ‘sinful’. It all dovetails in Satanism.
The only time I came into direct contact with this nasty little game was at a weekend away in the countryside with a group of priests etc from the cathedral where I was studying the pipe organ. On the sunday morning I was offered ( by a prelate now a high official in the Vatican) the chance of being the naked offering on the domestic alter for a black mass. Without even packing my bag I ran to the nearest highway and hitched back to the city. Never went anywhere near the cathedral again and sadly ended my organ studies (no pun intended)

 

yeh I hear the atheist stalin was a real bastard, killed them after he was done.

Yep secular atheist sources at that, you wouldnt be happy if I quoted theistic sources, you would cry a river claiming bias.

Pretty meaningless life you have there, 'meat computer'.

Please read for comprehension, it was a correction, to yet another misguided foolish neoatheist claim, I no longer need to prove atheism is a religion that has been done countless times in this andf other threads.

 

Then again maybe not.......


LaVeyan Satanism
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LaVey established LaVeyan Satanism in the U.S. state of California through the founding of his Church of Satan on Walpurgisnacht of 1966, which he proclaimed to be "the Year One", Anno Satanas—the first year of the "Age of Satan". His ideas were heavily influenced by the ideas and writings of Friedrich Nietzsche and Ayn Rand. The Church grew under LaVey's leadership, with regional grottos being founded across the United States. A number of these seceded from the Church to form independent Satanic organizations during the early 1970s. In 1975, LaVey abolished the grotto system, after which Satanism became a far less organized movement, although remained greatly influenced by LaVey's writings. In coming years, members of the Church left it to establish their own organisations, also following LaVeyan Satanism, among them John Dewey Allee's First Church of Satan and Karla LaVey's First Satanic Church.

The religion's doctrines are codified in LaVey's book, The Satanic Bible. The religion is materialist, rejecting the existence of supernatural beings,body-soul dualism, and life after death. [sounds strangely enough just like the neoatheists we have on this board dunnit!] Practitioners do not believe that Satan literally exists and do not worship him. Instead, Satan is viewed as a positive archetype representing pride, carnality, and enlightenment. He is also embraced as a symbol of defiance against Abrahamic religions which LaVeyans criticize for suppressing humanity's natural instincts and encouraging irrationality. The religion propagates a naturalistic worldview, seeing mankind as animals existing in an amoral universe. It promotes a philosophy based on individualism and egoism, coupled with Social Darwinism and anti-egalitarianism.

LaVeyan Satanism involves the practice of magic, which encompasses two distinct forms; greater and lesser magic. Greater magic is a form of ritual practice and is meant as psychodramatic catharsis to focus one's emotional energy for a specific purpose. These rites are based on three major psycho-emotive themes, including compassion (love), destruction (hate), and sex (lust). Lesser magic is the practice of manipulation by means of applied psychology and glamour (or "wile and guile") to bend an individual or situation to one's will.
[The foundation of 'lack']
LaVeyan Satanism – which is also sometimes termed "Modern Satanism"[1] and "Rational Satanism"[2] – is classified by scholars of religious studies as a new religious movement.[3] When used, "Rational Satanism" is often employed to distinguish the approach of the LaVeyan Satanists from the "Esoteric Satanism" embraced by groups like the Temple of Set.[4] A number of religious studies scholars have also described it as a form of "self-religion" or "self-spirituality",[5] with religious studies scholar Amina Olander Lap arguing that it should be seen as being both part of the "prosperity wing" of the self-spirituality New Age movement and a form of the Human Potential Movement.[6] Conversely, the scholar of Satanism Jesper Aa. Petersen preferred to treat modern Satanism as a "cousin" of the New Age and Human Potential movements.[7]

"In LaVey's way of thinking, Satanism is both a distinctly new religion, which he himself, without any false modesty, invented and the continuance of an ancient tradition of opposition to the status quo... For LaVey, Satanism is also the religion of the playful provocateur; anything that will shock people out of their unthinking adherence to the status quo is worth thinking about or even doing."
Religious studies scholar Eugene Gallagher.[8]

The anthropologist Jean La Fontaine described LaVeyan Satanism as having "both elitist and anarchist elements", also citing one occult bookshop owner who referred to the Church's approach as "anarchistic hedonism".[9] In their study of Satanism, the religious studies scholars Asbjørn Dyrendal, James R. Lewis, and Jesper Aa. Petersen suggested that LaVey viewed his religion as "an antinomian self-religion for productive misfits, with a cynically carnivalesque take on life, and no supernaturalism".[10] The sociologist of religion James R. Lewis even described LaVeyan Satanism as "a blend of Epicureanism and Ayn Rand's philosophy, flavored with a pinch of ritual magic."[11] The historian of religion Mattias Gardell described LaVey's as "a rational ideology of egoistic hedonism and self-preservation",[12] while Nevill Drury characterised LaVeyan Satanism as "a religion of self-indulgence".[13] It has also been described as an "institutionalism of Machiavellian self-interest".[14]

The Church of Satan rejects the legitimacy of any other organizations who claim to be Satanists, dubbing them "Devil worshipers".[15] Prominent Church leader Blanche Barton described Satanism as "an alignment, a lifestyle".[16] LaVey and the Church espoused the view that "Satanists are born, not made";[17] that they are outsiders by their nature, living as they see fit,[18] who are self-realized in a religion which appeals to the would-be Satanist's nature, leading them to realize they are Satanists through finding a belief system that is in line with their own perspective and lifestyle.[19]

Belief
The Satanic Bible
Main article: The Satanic Bible
The Satanic Bible has been in print since 1969 and has been translated into various languages.[20] Lewis argued that although LaVeyan Satanists do not treat The Satanic Bible as a sacred text in the way many other religious groups treat their holy texts, it nevertheless is "treated as an authoritative document which effectively functions as scripture within the Satanic community".[11] In particular, Lewis highlighted that many Satanists – both members of the Church of Satan and other groups – quote from it either to legitimize their own position or to de-legitimize the positions of others in a debate.[21] Many other Satanist groups and individual Satanists who are not part of the Church of Satan also recognize LaVey's work as influential.[22]

atheists definitely created a religion to write home to mom about!

 

Why do you say that? On the contrary, you theists who are just here "placeholding" until the imaginary afterlife are the ones taking the meaning out of the only life you have.

 

Even though it’s easy to make a case that Stalinist ‘communism' and it’s head were evil there’s a difference between a pathological personality having way too much temporal power over the population and the foetid influence of a toxic theology. I want you to ask yourself if worshiping a God from a young age who tortured his own son (invariably illustrated almost naked) on the cross to our redeem ‘sins’, sins he knowingly made possible, has no effect on the sexuality of young Christians, especially those who take on the Priesthood later in life. Do I need to rub your nose in the pain the leaders of so many Christian denominations have inflicted upon the young or are you going to take the all too common escape of biblical apologetics and blame the imaginary boogie man on your shoulder, Satan ?
Please don’t lecture me Satan is the chief of the fallen angels etc. There's no consistent view of the Devil in the Old and New Testaments.
The last century or so of biblical studies (the academic kind, not fundamentalist bible classes) tell us the Devil's greater prominence in the New Testament results from later ‘editing’ by the church of Rome and others.
We are told Jesus broke Satan’s power but for us ONLY if we pray to him will we keep the evil from our doorstep. Financial contributions to Mother Church we are told assist in this process too. Interestingly if we swallow St Augustine’s story Satan fell was due to pride in refusing to obey God (A lesson for us all we must obey church authority or else?) The most puzzling part of this theology is the notion Satan’s original sin fixed him in sin with no room for reform. Selective redemption? I could go on but too much meditating upon this cosmic sado-masochism renders me unable and often unwilling to swallow any more biblical apologetics.

I have avoided getting into such matters as the contrasting and contradictory portraits of Satan painted by St Thomas Aquinas and others such as the Franciscans Dun Scotus and other absurdly contentious, theological swamps.