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The right to bare arms..... questioning the understanding.

Discussion in 'United States' started by Mr Stefan Downey, Jun 11, 2012.

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  1. rahl

    rahl Banned

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    Already have. Dc vs hellar
     
    rahl, Jul 3, 2012
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  2. rahl

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    Thank you for admitting your OPINION. Reality still holds you incorrect
     
    rahl, Jul 3, 2012
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    lol, perfect forum post. This should be framed for posterity.
     
    Gator, Jul 3, 2012
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    No they haven't. They ruled that people have a right to acquire and posses and keep and bear forms of private property which may include Arms and for which, no militia service may be required; it is already covered in State Constitutions.

    What State are you from? I have already provided an example from the State of California that specifically enumerates rights in private property which may include Arms, with no militia requirement.

    Can you cite any ruling that claims a well regulated militia is not exempted from State gun control (laws) in favor of federal gun control (laws)?
     
    danielpalos, Jul 3, 2012
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    DC v Heller in no way shape or form, claimed that a well regulated militia is not exempted from State gun control (laws) in favor of federal gun control (laws).
     
    danielpalos, Jul 3, 2012
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    Which reality is that? Persons who have had their franchise denied or disparaged via due process are specifically infringed in their right to keep and bear Arms.

    Are you also claiming, through a vacuum of special pleading that persons have an uninfringed right to keep and bear Arms during the commission of a crime?

    If not, then the literal and special pleading argument regarding "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed" is less true to our objective and market based reality than a position which claims that the Second Amendment simply and merely exempts a well regulated militia from State gun control (laws) in favor of federal gun control (laws).
     
    danielpalos, Jul 3, 2012
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    yes they have. they specifically addressed the second amendment issue. I've cited it several times now. it's the law of the land.

    this is not my argument, nor does it have anything to do with anything I've said.
     
    rahl, Jul 3, 2012
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    ??????never said it did. you have a terrible habbit of rambling off topic.
     
    rahl, Jul 3, 2012
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    No, only you are claiming that. Back it up.
     
    Hoosier8, Jul 3, 2012
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    this has nothing to do with anything I've said. you have a terrible habbit of rambling off topic.


    no special pleading. just reality. the above is a textbook strawman.
    I've already given you the SCOTUS ruling, stating the individuals right to keep and bear arms is in no way tied to or dependant upon any militia. your off topic strawmen aren't fooling anyone.
     
    rahl, Jul 3, 2012
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    Do you not really and literally believe that the People should not be infringed in their right to keep and bear Arms?

    If not, then why would the Second Amendment not simply and merely exempt a well regulated militia of persons who keep and bear Arms from State gun control (laws) in favor of federal gun control (laws) so that they may infringe on insurrectionists or rebels or even criminals of the People who keep and bear Arms?
     
    danielpalos, Jul 4, 2012
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    Wow, troll much?
     
    Hoosier8, Jul 4, 2012
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    Non sequiturs are usually considered fallacies. Thank you for resorting to fallacy for your Cause.
     
    danielpalos, Jul 4, 2012
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    this has nothing to do with anything I've said. you have a terrible habbit of rambling off topic
     
    rahl, Jul 4, 2012
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    you are the one who has repeatedly resorted to strawmen.

    you aren't fooling anyone.
     
    rahl, Jul 4, 2012
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    I am referring to the words enumerated in our Second Amendment which have the effect and force of the supreme law of the land.

    Do you not really and literally believe that the People should not be infringed in their right to keep and bear Arms even if they are not in a well regulated militia (of the United States)?
     
    danielpalos, Jul 5, 2012
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    I don't need to fool anyone since I also don't need to resort to fallacies for my Cause.

    I have already demonstrated how a literal interpretation, in a vacuum of special pleading, cannot be what gun lovers claim since our Second Amendment is not a Constitution unto itself, but only the Second Article of Amendment.
     
    danielpalos, Jul 5, 2012
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    And I am referring to what the law of the land actually is. The individuals right to keep and bear arms is not dependant upon or tied to any militia.
     
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    yet you keep using strawmen arguments.


    you have demonstrated no such thing. you keep offering your opinion, while I keep referencing actual case law supporting my position.
     
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    What I am referring to since it bears true witness to the rationale of the federal doctrine is two rules of construction regarding our supreme law of the land. It seems that individuals may not have a right to keep and bear Arms if they are not part of a well regulated militia of the United States, because, only a well regulated militia is specifically exempted from State gun control (laws) in favor of federal gun control (laws).
     
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    The case law you mention also only applies in a vacuum of special pleading.
     
    danielpalos, Jul 5, 2012
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    and SCOTUS has called bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on that. the right to keep and bear arms is not tied to or dependant upon any militia.
     
    rahl, Jul 5, 2012
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    nope. it applies to all 50 states.
     
    rahl, Jul 5, 2012
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    Only in a vacuum of special pleading since only a well regulated militia is specifically enumerated as necessary to the security of a free State and exempted from State gun control (laws) in favor of federal gun control (laws) for the purpose of specifically infringing on persons who are not in a well regulated militia and who may be engaged in insurrection or rebellion, or merely not abiding by the laws of the Union or of the several States.
     
    danielpalos, Jul 5, 2012
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    Pretty simple except for the "well-regulated militia" bit. I see you are willing to look past it, too.
     
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