THE TOP 40 REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001

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    … An outline in simple talking points from www.911truth.org …

    12/11/07 NOTE: We are continuing to compile the best documentation links for every single point on this page, and intend to post the updated version by January 1, 2008. This is a significant and time-consuming process–if you have useful links, please send them to janice[at]911truth[dot]org. Thanks for your help!
    Version of May 22, 2006: This overview is in development. If you use the search function with title key words, you will discover that 911Truth.org is home to articles backing virtually every point made below. Much of the basic research is available at the Complete 9/11 Timeline (hosted by cooperativeresearch.org), the 9/11 Reading Room (911readingroom.org), and the NY Attorney General Spitzer petition and complaint (Justicefor911.org). For physical evidence discussion, see Point 7.

    THE DAY ITSELF – EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY

    1) AWOL Chain of Command
    a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack – George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield – all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
    b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.

    2) Air Defense Failures
    a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
    b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies – NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission – gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
    c. Was there an air defense standdown?

    3) Pentagon Strike
    How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation”s capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

    4) Wargames
    a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack – including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
    b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were “real world or exercise.” Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an “inside job”?

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    There is no "official story" of 9/11, there are millions of stories. Everyone, including me, who witnessed some aspect of 9/11 has a story. Taken together, these millions of stories lead the conclusion that terrorists of al Quada conspired to carry out the 9/11 attacks. I have not heard from even ONE PERSON who has personal knowledge that the government was behind the 9/11 attack. Are you saying that millions of people, including me, are part of a conspiracy to cover up the truth?
     
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    charliedk New Member Past Donor

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    unfortunately there are way to many questions that will never be answered..
    do you think something stinks?..I sure do..I always did..
    this started the whole war on terror by instilling fear on to the American public..it sure worked well for Bushy and the gang..
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    lol @ conspiracy theories.

    How about give us some actual evidence instead of arguments from ignorance?

    Why is this in the religion forum anyway?
     
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    Look, feel free to gather documents and whatnot. I will not accept any theories, official or otherwise, until I have to (Ie, until it changes my decisions and actions), but when I do, I'd like to have the best arguments, not the longest list of them.

    I'll gladly consider an argument or two, but when you both argue that it would be easy to chose what part of the pentagon you hit, but too hard to hit the pentagon at all, or that the fact that the president was busy is suspicious, I just get the feeling you're grasping at straws.
     
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    I don't trust the government either but until you have something resembling evidence all you have are faith claims and arguments from ignorance.

    Must also ask why this is in religion section, even with the nod to faith claims.
     
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    That could be asked by both sides, the regular people such as yourself, and the conspiracy theorists and those who believe them.
     
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    This so called evidence is circumstantial at best. What you see as proof of a conspiracy, I see as a government that dropped the ball.

    This solidifies my belief that conspiracy theories are born out of the desire for an orderly world. Instead of some random act a terrorism that could have been stopped if a series of stupid mistakes had not been made, it is easier for some people to accept that it is all part of some great, evil plan. If 9/11 was just a random act, then none of us are safe since at any time, some random chain a events could kill us, however, if it is an evil plot, then it is predictable and possibly controllable. If you follow the rules, then you'll be safe.

    Unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that. Politician's and celebrities are murdered by random shooters, natural disasters kill the just and unjust, planes crash for seemingly no reason, and terrorists sometimes get past our defenses and kill people.

    You see, people and governments do stupid things, and make mistakes. When a crisis happens, instead of doing the right thing, sometimes our leaders become indecisive of make the wrong decisions. Sometimes people hide the truth to cover their own mistakes and sometimes pure random coincidence helps and hinders us.

    Sometimes I think people would rather have an malevolent but intelligent government than a benevolent but stupid one.
     
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    Why is this in the religion forum?
     
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    Because it's Satan's doing, the master puppeteer of the government?
     
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    We have all seen the videos of the planes hitting the WTC and have heard Al-Queda claim responsibility. If the conspiracy theorists have claims to the contrary, they need to show evidence since the burden of proof is on them.
     
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    People have also heard explosions. Also saw men dancing as the planes collided, and they weren't al-Qaida members.

    Was there ever an actual investigation?
     
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    For the truthers it is a religion. THEY BELIEVE. Its faith, not facts, logic or reason.
     
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    I have been there, I have seen the destruction first-hand. I do not need any more evidence.
     
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    Sooooo thats the evidence you give top billing to? Incorrect evidence. Cheney was in the whitehouse, where he works. Rumsfeld was in the Pentagon where he worked. Myers was on capitol hill when the attacks occured, and he immediately went to the Pentagon after the attacks.
     
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    We don't go out on a limb to explain things though. It is the only the conspiracy theorists who believe that there was a vast government conspiracy with missiles, ray guns, and possibly a couple clowns, who were involved in the attacks.
     
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    "This so called evidence ..."

    What's circumstantial? And I'll expect you to be specific. As if you actually read the article. And how many people have been convicted on purely circumstantial evidence?
     
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    The only clown here is you. Now be specific. No rambling.
     
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    Tell us girlfriend what the article said about the 9/11 Commission report. Who headed the commission, according to the article? I'll give you time to actually read the article before you respond. And if you have proof that what the author contends is not true, I'll expect you to present it. Is that clear?
     
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    And those people who believe there was missiles or ray guns are crazy. There are plenty of stupid theories about 9/11... Everything from aliens to there not actually being any planes. I'm not talking about those ones.

    That the government was behind it is so crazy to believe, is it? This conveniently allowed America to start 2 wars. Allowed your government to start taking away your rights (Patriot Act). Allowed Muslims to be targeted and scapegoated.

    Who actually benefitted from it? Not the American people, well except the anti-Islamic group. Not the thousands of Iraqi's ad Afghani's killed in the following wars. Not al-Qaida.

    Netanyahu himself said 9/11 was good for "Israel". American government got a chance to take your rights away and show their military dominance against two countries. Put Gitmo to good use. Spread fear among your population. Only reason a government spreads fear is to control its population. And many American governments have done it. Before it was Communism, now it is Islam. How long until another McCarthy comes around and starts accusing people of being terrorists? You could argue there is already one on this forum (Protectionist).

    Anyway, what I'm saying is, it isn't that hard to believe the American government had something to do with 9/11... I'm not saying there was aliens or missiles or holographic planes or anything crazy like that. I'm not a nutcase (well,
    I don't think I am lol) I just look at things myself instead of just following what other people say.

    سلام
     
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    Thats because things didnt work out as Al Qaeda planned. Before 9/11, we had about 15,000 American troops in the "lands of Islam". The goal of 9/11 was -

    Instead, he got several 100,000 more US troops.
     
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    Theyve examined audio recordings and found no explosions. Seismic indicators registered no explosions. And the buildings fell the only way gravity would allow them to fall. DOWN.
     
  25. Mehmet

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    9/11 - wtc collapse was a good example of controlled demolition.

    truth is stranger than fiction.
    better get used to it.
     

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