The Truth About the Second Amendment

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by 6Gunner, Aug 13, 2018.

  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Right Just wanted to make sure everyone knows the "granted" argument was settled 2 centuries ago.
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2018
  2. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sorry. Commerce Clause allows for federal gun control. But you knew this
     
  3. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2015
    Messages:
    31,613
    Likes Received:
    20,928
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    in reality-a dishonest expansion of the commerce clause has been used by Democrats to claim the federal government can engage in gun control and because the Democrats were the only appointers of federal judges for 20 years, this dishonest expansion took hold
     
    6Gunner and PrincipleInvestment like this.
  4. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not claim.....they can currently and this has gone on for over 80 years so you had plenty of time to change things but you can't. FACT. The federal government has the power to pass gun control.
     
  5. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2015
    Messages:
    31,613
    Likes Received:
    20,928
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    yes-based on the dishonesty of the FDR administration. That is why we need to keep seating judges who think like Clarence Thomas
     
    6Gunner and PrincipleInvestment like this.
  6. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Good luck with that. LOL
     
  7. David Landbrecht

    David Landbrecht Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2018
    Messages:
    2,030
    Likes Received:
    1,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Societies evolve. All human institutions evolve. Language evolves.
    One lives it or one lives with it.
     
  8. David Landbrecht

    David Landbrecht Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2018
    Messages:
    2,030
    Likes Received:
    1,172
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What was the meaning of the word macaroni at the time of the "Founders" and what is it today?
     
  9. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If someone would kindly relay the following information to the member Vegas Giants for consideration:

    No president of the united states, nor administration, has ever attempted to implement a firearms prohibition while citing the commerce clause as authorization to do such, not even Barack Obama. Since no administration has attempted such, they likely understand that such authority does not actually exist.
     
  10. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    18,068
    Likes Received:
    2,644
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Owning a gun isn't commerce.
     
  11. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Buying one is. Acquiring a gun in any way can impact commerce
     
  12. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2015
    Messages:
    47,848
    Likes Received:
    19,639
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Especially when you own a gun you made yourself with no intent to sell.
     
    Turtledude, 6Gunner and Longshot like this.
  13. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    18,068
    Likes Received:
    2,644
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As I said, owning a gun isn't commerce, to which you seem to have no answer. As I said, congress has no legislative power to ban ownership of guns.
    Impact commerce? What does impacting commerce have to do with the constitution?

    Also, for bonus points: What particular type of commerce does congress have the constitutional authority to legislate?
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2018
  14. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well there is this thing about the commerce clause that give the federal government power. LOL
     
  15. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    18,068
    Likes Received:
    2,644
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Do you even know what commerce is? Owning a gun isn't commerce.
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2018
  16. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It is if we say it is. LOL
     
  17. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    18,068
    Likes Received:
    2,644
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, if you wish to ignore the constitution. But you can't change what the constitution says, so everyone will know that such action are those of criminal thugs.
     
    6Gunner likes this.
  18. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You sure have an opinion.....but we have all the cool guns. LOL
     
  19. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    18,068
    Likes Received:
    2,644
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Haha, you and the mouse in your pocket. Good luck.
     
  20. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It sure works my way now.....and for the last 80 years. So theres that. LOL
     
  21. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    18,068
    Likes Received:
    2,644
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Everyone knows the federal government doesn't adhere to the constitution. But the constitution still says what it says. They can't actually change that, so everyone is able to see their lawlessness. I can't very well have a discussion about the law with someone who celebrates lawlessness.
     
    6Gunner likes this.
  22. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah you are screwed. No one in power will go along with you. That must suck.

    I wouldn't know. LOL
     
  23. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    18,068
    Likes Received:
    2,644
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You don't expect to have a rational conversation about the constitution when you've already said that you don't care what it says because you have all the guns, do you?
     
  24. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Its good to be the winner. LOL
     
  25. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2011
    Messages:
    18,068
    Likes Received:
    2,644
    Trophy Points:
    113
    See, this is why I need to listen to you.
     
    6Gunner, TOG 6 and Well Bonded like this.

Share This Page