The truth about why the little syrian boy died!

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  1. Gilos

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    A fair question , but dont blame the refugees after Merkel stated they will accept 800,000 of them, they didnt need an invitation before but now that there is one....well, doesnt look like the flood will stop anytime soon.
     
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    Christ leading plunder ? what happened to turning the other cheek ?

    That's not the Christ I know from the "Flying house".... :no:
     
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    The more logical view is Germany wants the eaxct number its willing to take now and close its borders' letting the rest of Europe deal with all the rest. most European countries will get some after all, they already agreed only argue on numbers, Germany is a step ahead.
     
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    Daddy, please don't die: Syrian child's last words...

    Aylan Kurdi's last words were 'Daddy, please don't die' as father battled to save him
    Sep 5, 2015 | As Aylan Kurdi’s father battled to save him from drowning in the Aegean Sea, the little boy begged him not to die, according to his distraught aunt.
     
  5. Gilos

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    Abe wasnt Syrian, he was Iraqi and judging by results, I'd say the Father wasnt too happy with the Palestinians ,Syrians ,Lebanease and Iraqis fighting against Israelis , if you are going that path that is.
     
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    I have an idea! Why not rename Syria to Palestine or Slyastine and invite all the Jordanian refuges aka the Palestinians to become Slyastinians? At least then they would have a valid history beginning the day Syria became Palestine/Slystine?
    Yes you see that would fix both problems of Syria and Palestine, while giving Israel her country back. That would be a win win, win eh?
    reva
     
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    I don't know what you are talking about but the Greek historian Herodotus called it Syria-Palestine circa 500 BC.
     
  8. Jeannette

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    There are a lot of currents between the Turkish coast and the islands, (I have experienced it), so the waters are very dangerous. The Turkish coast guard has been seen many times escorting the rafts until they reach Greek waters, so why didn't they save the people?

    I know when they reach Greek waters they are told to punch a hole in the boat to get it to start sinking and thereby force the Greek Coast Guard to take them to Greece...but obviously that raft was not in Greek waters or the child wouldn't have been found on the Turkish shore.

    There is a videotaped incident where the Turkish Coast Guard instead of allowing one of the rafts to continue as they usually do, was actually cutting it off and endangering it. Why were they endangering one raft, and yet allowing all the others free passage? Is it because the traffickers didn't pay them? I read that each head has to pay anywhere from one thousand to two thousand five hundred dollars to get across.

     
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    Hi Margot, I was being sarcastic etc but to answer your reply, yes its true but Herodotus called it "Palaistinē". Its confusing because of the name changes and history of the area. However the Jewish presence has historically dominated the area now called Palestine. I beleive the romans last changed the name in an attempt to make the area seem less 'Jewish'. Below is a cut and paste of how the confusion was created and up until the mandate in WW1 to Israel becoming a nation as prophised the 1940's.

    A derivitave of the name "Palestine" first appears in Greek literature in the 5th Century BCE when the historian Herodotus called the area "Palaistinē" (Greek - Παλαιστίνη). In the 2nd century CE, the Romans crushed the revolt of Shimon Bar Kokhba (132 CE), during which Jerusalem and Judea were regained and the area of Judea was renamed Palaestina in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel.

    Under the Ottoman Empire (1517-1917), the term Palestine was used as a general term to describe the land south of Syria; it was not an official designation. In fact, many Ottomans and Arabs who lived in Palestine during this time period referred to the area as "Southern Syria" and not as "Palestine."


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    http://www.wsj.com/articles/image-of-syrian-boy-washed-up-on-beach-hits-hard-1441282847

    “Mr. Kurdi brought his family to Turkey three years ago after fleeing fighting first in Damascus, where he worked as a barber, then in Aleppo, then Kobani. His Facebook page shows pictures of the family in Istanbul crossing the Bosporus and feeding pigeons next to the famous Yeni Cami, or new mosque.
    From his hospital bed on Wednesday, Mr. Kurdi told a Syrian radio station that he had worked on construction sites for 50 Turkish lira (roughly $17) a day, but it wasn’t enough to live on. He said they depended on his sister, Tima Kurdi, who lived in Canada, for help paying the rent.”

    Just to insert here: the average monthly salary in Syria is $364. Assuming that Mr. Kurdi isn’t lying about the $17 a day he was making (I actually do assume he is lying), that would be $510 a month.
     
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    Your point is unlike many he was not as desperate a refugee as others and it is true he probably was motivated for medical reasons, i.e., teeth to come to Canada. I get your point. Your point the press exploited this story is valid. However please don't try argue as a Kurd he had a future in Syria or Turkey. Give me a break. Kurds are despised in both nations and you know that. He would have had to leave bad teeth or not.ith

    With two respect the refugee issue from Iraq and Syria combined with refugees and displaced migrants from the rest of the world are the issue not this one man. Should he have stayed where he was. If I was him I would have done the same thing for my family. To second guess this man is for me a cheap shot.

    He's not some ungrateful, evil, liar or exploiter of sorrow. He was just a man trying to do the right thing for phack's sake.
     
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    I don't know what kind of father lets his children slip into the sea without trying to save them until his very last breath. Anyway it really didn’t take long for the real agenda behind this tragedy to resurface. When it comes to the imperial agenda there is no left or right neither in the UK nor the USA. They’re all on the same page. The only difference is the approach. So called lefties are more cunning.

    It didn’t take them long to prove us right…

    http://off-guardian.org/2015/09/05/it-didnt-take-them-long-to-prove-us-right/

     
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    http://www.lbc.co.uk/refugees-will-destroy-uk-as-we-know-it-115807

    Britain could be changed beyond recognition if we take in thousands of Syrian refugees, according to journalist Peter Hitchens.

    David Cameron will announce today his plans to accept thousands of refugees from the Middle East after bowing to pressure from across Europe.

    Mr Hitchens told Nick Ferrari: "The long-term effect of allowing into Europe unlimited mass migration from the Middle East, North Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, Afghanistan - there will be social change in the continent we find ourselves in.

    "At the end of it, we won't recognise any of the countries which we now possess."

    Mr Hitchens insisted that the refugees should not have a choice on which 'safe' country they end up in after fleeing from their war-torn country.

    And therefore he claimed that we won't save any refugees by changing the country we know.
    Listen to his plea above.
     
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    Without a doubt you have shown you can lower yourself as low as possible on this board with the above kind of comment. If anyone questions why I have such contempt for your words and what you stand for they just need to read the above.

    Your words are cowardly. To ridicule a man as you do with your words is pathetic.
     
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    So Mr. Napier it must be something. I mean blacks, Indians, Pakistanis, Afghanis, Iraqis Jews, Chinese, Somalis, Muslims, its just one minority after another.

    :roflol:

    O.K. come on. Cheer up. It gives you a new opportunity to put on your jodphurs and riding boots and huff and puff about the end of civilization.
     
  16. Jack Napier

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    Not sure what you mean bro? What does this have to do with the dead kid and related matters?
     
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    Who is it?
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    It's a dead boy.
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    I'll leave it here.
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    Good photo.
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    What do you say about this?
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    Ukraine, Donetsk.
     
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    I’m looking at a map here, and Syria is remarkably close to Israel.
    I’m no map expert or anything, but it definitely looks closer to Israel then Sweden or Britain does.
    Apologies if wrong.
    Since it is so close, and what with Israel being the only vibrant democracy in the region, can we perhaps look forward to progressive and humanitarian Israel throwing open her doors and taking in many thousands of Syrians that are fleeing a war zone and only seeking a better life?
     
  19. truth and justice

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    His family liked feeding pigeons? So? $510 a month is working 7 days a week, do you work 7 days a week? What is the standard of living in Syria and Turkey?
     
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    I've already told you to take your double dose of Thorazine and chill out. I genuinely asked a question. What kind of man let his children slip into the sea without fighting until his last breath to try to save them? I didn't ridicule him. In my opinion, only a selfish coward would defend the coward who let his children drown without doing his utmost to save them.
     
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    Fancy trying to get your family out of a war-torn country. Bloody cheek!
     
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    Ha ha, Libya, Egypt along with Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia are all northern countries. I guess one could say that Syria is as well.
     
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    Turkey isn't "war torn". In fact the father of that child had lived and worked in Turkey for three years.
     
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    “When our emotions are fully engaged, they can instantly overwhelm our judgment. That, I think, is the case with the issue of refugees, or those sad, tearful and emaciated African kids that we see on the screen whenever World Vision is conducting a drive. “Just a dollar a day will allow little Akbar to eat and go to school.”

    Of course, some people are more susceptible to this kind of emotional manipulation than others. Especially those who do not use the left side of their brains to its full potential. Creative, right-brain people typically cannot think in quantitative terms. They are governed by emotions, and ooze with empathy, which has become the buzzword of pathological altruism.

    They are typically innumerate — and typically leftist in their politics. When they tell us that we must fund the Arts, or invest more in education or the health care system or daycare or outreach programs for under-represented minorities, they will not say how much. When they tell us that we must run a deficit to kick-start the economy, they will not say how much or when it will be paid down. When they tell us that we must accept more immigrants or refugees, they won’t tell us how many. They will only say “more.” And if they do give a figure, it is only provisional, a stepping stone to future solicitations. Their demands are always open-ended. The goal posts are always moving.

    They are not numbers people because their emotions are in the driver’s seat, and they make a point of showcasing their “compassion,” especially those of them who are running for office. Slogans like “People before profits” and “The economy exists to serve the people, not the other way around” fit their mindset. When you want to appeal to emotions to win the day, it always useful to present a false antithesis.”


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.ne...the-enemy-within-uses-our-empathy-against-us/
     
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    Here is the full picture of the drowned toddler...
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    The left-hand part of this photo has been widely published by the Atlantist Press. The victim, a Syrian Kurd child, Aylan Kurdi, is supposed to have been washed up by the sea. However, his corpse is perpendicular to the waves instead of being parallel. On the right-hand part, the presence of an official Turkish photographer reinforces the suggestion of a staged event. In the background we can see people bathing.

    Read all here about The phoney « refugee crisis »
    by Thierry Meyssan


    http://www.voltairenet.org/article188623.html
     

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