The Twin Pillars that Trump's presidency relies on

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lucifer, May 19, 2020.

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Are these two issues the reason you support Trump?

  1. YES

  2. NO

  3. OTHER (please explain)

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  1. david gullikson

    david gullikson Banned

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    Right wingers are allowed to be racist, sexist and homophobic, BUT, if you mention it, or worse, say that is bad, the mods will and have banned me. There is a clear double standard here.
     
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  2. ECA

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    Doesn't have to be you that reports me.
     
  3. david gullikson

    david gullikson Banned

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    Correct. There are right wingers that scour these forums, and if you use an adjective, or say things NOT TO THEM, but about the subject in general, they report you. I have been told that by them personally. They think that is WINNING the argument.
     
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    Grown adults running to a mod to report someone over words is...let’s just say I’m embarrassed for those people.
     
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  5. TheImmortal

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    Those men were outgunned, outsupplied; had little to no infrastructure and were outnumbered 3:1. And they still killed 100,000 more men than they lost while sporting a 4:1 kill ratio. They were in fact so good that the cowards in the union army began foregoing military battles in favor of a targeted scorched earth terrorist campaign against the civilian populace.
     
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    Well we do agree on something look at that.
     
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    When do you declare war on the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
     
  8. ECA

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    Seems you’re bitter over a war that took place 155 years ago.
     
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    No sir. The problem is you’re attacking their person because they make statements that you declare to be racist while they’re making a point about something. Instead of attacking their person you should learn to attack their argument. It’s not that difficult.
     
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    I’m not bitter over the war. Im bitter from the propaganda that has been deepthroated wholesale by a populace who is ignorant of the facts.
     
  11. Pycckia

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    Right...of course.
     
  13. david gullikson

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    I was told to drop dead, so that it can be a great country. I said @#$#@%#%^%^ and got banned. No, I mean, @#$%#$%^#^.
     
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    One way could be by the living standard of the people. China has roughly 5 x our population but purchases the same amount of goods, therefore its people one fifth of our living standards

    And I notice that you, a staunch conservative and Trumper have now been reduced to a defender of about the most oppressive large nation on Earth in order to preserve your white nationalist narrative.
     
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    Do you know how many times I’ve been called bad names and told I needed to die on here? You don’t win by calling them names back. You win by continuing to stomp them out in debate because usually when they say stuff like that, it’s because you’re winning.
     
  16. TheImmortal

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    Well it’s true. We have an entire population who believe the south went to war in defense of slavery when it’s easily demonstrable that they went to war in defense of the constitution.
     
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    Ad hominem and personal attacks are the first signs of a losing argument.
     
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    People, rightfully so, believe slavery was an issue for going to war....because it was. To deny this gets you automatically dismissed from further discussion as I have learned to not waste my time with people who try to make up their own facts.
     
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    I can agree that many things are honestly debatable because of the wide way people look at things and their values. They can all be good values too, and that is still true.
    At the same time, many things just aren't suited to individual definition. While it's not a subject here- consider pregnancy. There is no partial, it's yes or no.

    Do people who call Trump incompetent think the record low unemployment numbers aren't true? The record market and economics we have seen weren't real?
    They must, and in order to do so they must think that what they think alters the reality- the truth. Not the fractional details, but the overall scores on things that exceed past records.
    It's kind of like saying Secretariat wasn't really a good horse, and winning the third leg of the triple crown by 31 lengths was not relevant to performance.
    You have to warp reality in your mind to do that.
     
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    Your first example of pregnancy is flawed. There is what in technical terms is called pseudocyesis, or phantom pregnancies.

    As to you trying to equivocate Trump's unemployment numbers to some success (even though now it is truly a moot point), surely there must be some piece of legislation he has enacted to cause that, no? I mean, if those unemployment numbers prior to this year were a direct result of something that Trump did, surely the economists would tout that rather than saying it's a carryover from the previous admin, right?
     
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    It was an issue. Specifically it was the catalyst but it was not the cause.
     
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    I am a conservative. I don't consider myself a "Trumper", but will vote for him in 2020 for the first time.

    China's economic power has become the largest threat, not only to the U.S., but to the free world and countries which may hope to become free. China is a foe and an enemy, looking to take over and dominate the world with it's oppressive Communist regime. A Biden presidency will assist China and further harm the U.S. economically, judging from his and previously administrations' (on both D & R side) prior voting history going back to Clinton.

    I am not a white nationalist, but an advocate of multiculturalism when we choose which immigrants will add value to the country and disallow those who will be a lifetime burden.

    You only got one of your insults about me correct. I am a conservative. The rest was conjecture and slander.
     
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    I wasn't insulting you. There are a lot white nationalists here who freely admit to being so and many Trumpers are included in that group

    Your apparent misconceptions about immigrants are only exceeded by your apparent misconceptions about Democrats, Biden and China. Perhaps the approaching Biden administration can bring you back to reality but since you are a conservative I don't think that likely
     
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    Since it's so easily demonstrable can you please do that? If you think you should make another thread please tell me where it will be
    What was then? I will remind you that the Tariff controversy had been settled in 1850.
     
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    Always looking for a way to dispute- and that is precisely the point I was making. A "phantom pregnancy" IS NOT a pregnancy at all, is it? It may manifest some symptoms, but there is not embryo. A man in a bear suit may look like a bear, but is in fact, in truth, NOT a bear- and the phantom pregnancy IS NOT a state of pregnancy.
    But you choose to throw that out as some sort of alternate half truth.... to question if anything is truth. Then you wonder why you aren't taken as being truthful.
     

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