The Twin Pillars that Trump's presidency relies on

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lucifer, May 19, 2020.

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Are these two issues the reason you support Trump?

  1. YES

  2. NO

  3. OTHER (please explain)

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  1. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL Insult, then gaslight. :rolleyes:
     
  2. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    You REALLY need to look up the definition of "truth", because you seem to think that "truths" have some higher degree of validity than facts and that they share some universal trait.

    Most religious minded folks tend to believe their truths are universal, when in fact they are just as relative as everything else.
     
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  3. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Participate only in alignment with your criteria or get lost.

    You aren't interested in debate and discussion, you're interested in ramming your agenda down peoples throats.

    No thanks.
     
  4. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, you don't necessarily agree that water is wet, because sometimes it's frozen, or that birds can fly, because penguins and Kiwi's can't.
    I already knew that was your perspective. What troubles me is you seem to think such things are arbitrary and may apply to all situations, so truth is always negotiable.

    And, I'm not religious- my higher power is mother nature. She goes with what works, not the fantasy or ideology people like to embrace. I do that too.
     
  5. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Scandanavians had White slaves they picked up on raids. Kept some, sold others to Middle Easterners. They were mostly Slavic people, and is where the word slave comes from, captured Slavs. The Romans and Spainards also collected their slaves from among the Slavs.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    I used to play in a band with a Black guy, a Mexican, and two Whites. We got along fine. For awhile I had Mexican neighbors. The woman was a really good cook and loved to make big meals. Some of the best food I ever ate in my life, I ate at their house. Over the course of my life I have dated women who were Mexican, Native American, Korean, and from Argentina, as well as White women. The mother of my children is blonde haired blue eyed just like me. One woman I particularly liked was a Greek princess, with dark brown eyes and long curly black hair, spoke the king's English, with an upper class New York attitude. At times she seemed almost out of place, trouncing around in the Rocky Mountain wilderness.
     
  7. StillBlue

    StillBlue Well-Known Member

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    Did you really ask for an example of Trump lying?
    Well it's clear there's no conversation to be had here.
     
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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    You see anyone who dares disagree with you as insulting. I'm sorry, but I'm not trying to be.

    Gaslighting is like passive-aggressive, a term I've just never understood, even though I know the dictionary definition
     
  9. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You claimed "I" was defending China to preserve "my" white nationalist narrative. I and neither a fan of Communist China nor a white nationalist, nor have I ever defended either of those.

    Now you further lie with comment that I view mere ideological disagreement as insult. I enjoy an intelligent debate, and am not insulted by those who possess a diametrically opposed opinion. Falsely accusing people of things they never said is insulting and is not part of intelligent debate. Claiming that the slander wasn't intended as an insult and/or that your target is just too sensitive is gaslighting.
     
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  10. Grey Matter

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    Wasn't that the exact business model of the agrarian south? King Cotton, Powered by enslaved Black folk.
     
  11. TheImmortal

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    Given that less than 6% of white southerners owned slaves, that means that the other 94% broke their backs in the fields daily to compete against that free slave labor.

    So no that wasn’t the “business model”. What do you think the white people did? Sat on their porch swings drinking sweet tea watching other people’s slaves work?
     
  12. Grey Matter

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    I reckon the Germans that were killed or captured by our segregated forces might have a different opinion.
     
  13. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    Hmmm, are we more divided now than we were during the Civil War?
     
  14. Pycckia

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    Yes, I think so. But the conditions are not ripe for a shooting war.
     
  15. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    More difficult for some than others, eh?
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Because the core values of the Republican Party are so anti-American. As long as people see one major use of wealth as insuring the future of their descendants (and that seems totally reasonable even to me) then plutocracy is just another form hereditary elitism. We should have a structure that ensures wealth cannot use politics to self-perpetuate itself.
     
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    God & Country Well-Known Member

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    You made a statement and now it's obvious you can't back it up, so you come up with this crap. How perfectly liberal of you. Lame.
     
  18. TheImmortal

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    I wasn’t talking about them other than “little buddies” and that’s not exactly an insult.

    As for the others I was describing a category of male whom they are used to dealing with and that I am not a part of. But I wasn’t referring to them.

    Hence why I’ve not got in trouble.
     
  19. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Then we're not that divided.

    WTF. What issues in American politics do you think many of us are ready to murder our fellow citizens over?
     
  20. StillBlue

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    For Gods sake there are books, entire books listing them. How perfectly wilfully ignorant of you.
     
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  21. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    And all of them are far exceeded by some individual variations between some individuals in the same race, therefore they are meaningless.

    Whether a person is one race or another is very much like saying that they have blonde/brunette hair or blue/gray eyes. It is definitely a variation but it signifies nothing, even noting it is just a waste of your time.
     
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    Some of the framers of the Constitution feared the same. One proposal was that estates be divided amongst a community's 18 year old males to get them started to prevent inherited wealth from accumulating in the hands of the few
     
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    Not to put too fine a point on it but humans are all members of one race, humans. There are ethnicities in the human race.
     
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    That’s preposterous. The differences are significant and they’re highly impactful in many cases.

    https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/71/6/1392/4729362
     
  25. ImNotOliver

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    Russians are Anglo-Saxons? Actually Russians are mostly Slavic. Swedish Vikings had been raiding and trading from the Baltic to the Dead Sea. One of their more profitable loot was the Slavic peopl they captured and sold to Mediterranean traders as slaves.

    Eventually a group of these Swedish Vikings founded a city calked Kiev. They were calked the Rus. The Rus soon conquered the land and people around them. Over time all the people came to be known as Russians, even though the ruling class was mostly Scandinavian and the working class mostly Slavic.
     

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