THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    I wrote to you above - from now on you will have to look for Russian rubles to buy gas. And it is true. Putin said that the Russians would sell gas for rubles. Have you read what the German media write about this? And this is just the beginning. Today, the head of Roscosmos announced that all contracts with Roscosmos will be carried out in Russian rubles. Next, there will be a transition to payments in Russian rubles for the supply of oil, metals, timber, fertilizers.....nuclear fuel....etc. Therefore, you will have to make an effort to find as much Russian currency as possible. I wonder what you can offer the Russians?... Oh, I know.... At the initial stage, you will be able to offer the Russians your latest technology and a blocking stake in your companies. (For example, Siemens, Henkel, Mercedes .... and stuff like that). But time will pass, the Russians will get everything they want, and they will develop their industry very strongly, because they have everything for this - what's next?
    And further. Russia and Ukraine are the largest sellers of agricultural products in the world. I hope you understand that under the current conditions, even without taking into account possible natural disasters, the supply of agricultural products on the world market will drop sharply. In other words, global famine is coming. Especially in African countries. Where do you think millions of migrants from Africa will go? How will this affect living standards in the EU?
    And an update - Metallurgists and Russian departments have agreed to untie domestic prices for metals from prices on the London Metal Exchange, said Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov.
     
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    Carriers are vulnerable, even with carrier groups to protect them.

    What's more, it's not expensive to attack them. You simply need to launch enough cruise missiles to overwhelm the defenses.
     
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    He is. What's your point?
     
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    Only to you.
     
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    So called mop up duty in Iraq never stopped.

    According to John McCain we needed to commit 100 years there. He also wanted boots on the ground in Syria.

    John McCain rip the world champion neocon.
     
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    Can you quote him saying that?
     
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    Before we even invaded, there was a huge debate about our responsibilities after the war was over. Shinseki was quite blunt about it when he testified before Congress.

    Forgetting the 100 year figure, the idea that putting Iraq back together would be long and expensive was common knowledge. President Cheney didn't care, we went in without even basic emergency supplies for the immediate aftermath of war.
     
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    President Cheney?
     
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    For years after 9/11 Cheney took control. He controlled nearly everything Bush heard. It was years before a lowly aide told Bush what was going on. Even then, he struggled to keep from getting shut out again.

    Cheney was a real character.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Donor

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    [QUOTE="Destroyer of illusions, post: 1073336081, member: 66515"


    https://sonar21.com/the-ukrainian-army-has-been-defeated-whats-left-is-mop-up/

    By the way, Larry S. Johnson is a veteran of the CIA and the State Department's Office of Terrorism. He is the founder and managing partner of BERG Associates, which was established in 1998. For 24 years, Larry trained members of the US military's Special Forces. He was vilified by both the right and the left, which means he must do something right.
    And it's obvious that he knows what he's talking about.[/QUOTE]



    Please clarify. Do you mean Larry S. Johnson or Larry C. Johnson?

    I could find no information on a Larry S. Johnson but did find information in my brief bit of research on a Larry C. Johnson and it does appear that he has some credibility issues when it comes to defamation of politicians he opposes.

    Briefly put, in one instance he claimed that a non existent tape existed in which Michelle Obama used the word "whitey".
    In another instance, he produced an altered tape in which John Kerry allegedly admits: "I personally raped for pleasure."

    When Johnson's hoax was exposed, he simply deleted a supporting article without apology. (1)

    I don't doubt that Larry C. Johnson is well informed about the topic at hand but I do think that he is obviously willing to distort the truth when it serves his particular political agenda.

    While I realize that all participants in a conflict use propaganda to demonize their adversary and this one is no different, do you really think that after Putin has seized as much of Ukraine as he wants that the Ukrainians will meekly submit to a foreign occupation?

    Thanks,




    (1) "Larry C. Johnson"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_C._Johnson

    "War crime accusations against John Kerry[edit]"

    EXCERPT "In 2013, Johnson falsely accused John Kerry of war crimes in Vietnam, alleging that Kerry had "raped some poor Vietnamese woman."[17] To support his claim, Johnson used a YouTube video[18] that contained audio clips from a 1971 debate on The Dick Cavett Show between John Kerry and John O'Neill. The original interview[19] audio[20] was altered to piece together words that Kerry spoke at different times during the debate, falsely making it sound as if he said, "I personally raped for pleasure." When the falsehood was exposed by a reader of Johnson's blog, Johnson deleted the article without apology.[21]" CONTINUED
     
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    The logistical problem is refueling the aircraft both from toward intendended target and returning.
     
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    I agree; if we aren't in it to win it, our leaders should drop those flag pins and stop praising them. It must be insulting to the Ukranians on the ground.
     
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    They wouldn't return. The Ukranians take the jets and don't come back. I know we can do it; I witnessed it from Saudi Arabia and Kyrgyzstan.
     
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    https://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/mccain.king/

     
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    Please clarify. Do you mean Larry S. Johnson or Larry C. Johnson?

    I could find no information on a Larry S. Johnson but did find information in my brief bit of research on a Larry C. Johnson and it does appear that he has some credibility issues when it comes to defamation of politicians he opposes.

    Briefly put, in one instance he claimed that a non existent tape existed in which Michelle Obama used the word "whitey".
    In another instance, he produced an altered tape in which John Kerry allegedly admits: "I personally raped for pleasure."

    When Johnson's hoax was exposed, he simply deleted a supporting article without apology. (1)

    I don't doubt that Larry C. Johnson is well informed about the topic at hand but I do think that he is obviously willing to distort the truth when it serves his particular political agenda.

    While I realize that all participants in a conflict use propaganda to demonize their adversary and this one is no different, do you really think that after Putin has seized as much of Ukraine as he wants that the Ukrainians will meekly submit to a foreign occupation?

    Thanks,




    (1) "Larry C. Johnson"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_C._Johnson

    "War crime accusations against John Kerry[edit]"

    EXCERPT "In 2013, Johnson falsely accused John Kerry of war crimes in Vietnam, alleging that Kerry had "raped some poor Vietnamese woman."[17] To support his claim, Johnson used a YouTube video[18] that contained audio clips from a 1971 debate on The Dick Cavett Show between John Kerry and John O'Neill. The original interview[19] audio[20] was altered to piece together words that Kerry spoke at different times during the debate, falsely making it sound as if he said, "I personally raped for pleasure." When the falsehood was exposed by a reader of Johnson's blog, Johnson deleted the article without apology.[21]" CONTINUED[/QUOTE]
    The post contains a link to the original source. It is clear who is who.
     
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    40% is not a mop up operation. Right now, morale is low among Russian troops with some 70 units experiencing dessertions. They are facing huge logistical problems on the ground that even a second luey could solve, and the fact that death tolls among Russian troops is a lot higher than even Putin expected. So, no, it is not a mop up.

    Kyiv is the central of Ukranian independence. It is not only the cultural capital of the country, it is its political heart as well. By not taking Kyiv, Putin cannot install his govenment that would be friendly to him, which is one of his main goals. For Russia, it is the heart of their culture especially during the early days of the Soviet Union. Ukraine was an early founding member of the USSR, and that is where Putin wants Russia back to, to the glory days of the USSR after WW2

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/kyiv-critical-russia-invasion-ukraine

    https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-ukraine-matters-to-russia-so-much-52281
     
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    Feel free to quote my "lie", but try not to lie again while you're doing it.
     
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    You always do this when you post some nonsense from some kooky source and people reject it. What is there even to refute? You have yet to refute the facts that I posted -- namely that he is proven to be full of ****.
     
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    Ahahaha... Western media assured the whole world that Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons.
    Links to Western media are untenable. Even American presidents call the Western media fake news.
    Again. You don't have to worry about the Russians. They are fine.
    By the way, today is the anniversary of the start of the bombing of Serbia. US aircraft bombed Belgrade for over 70 days.
    You can compare the size of Serbia and Ukraine, compare the population of Serbia and Ukraine, the number of weapons Serbia and Ukraine have .... and compare how the Russians have advanced in the absence of carpet bombing of Ukraine in just one month.
    Pictured is Belgrade.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Don't try to make an excuse for yourself. This makes no sense. Everyone sees everything.
     
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    So you cannot quote my "lie", because there is none and try to deflect again. In other words you lied when you claimed that I posted a lie. This was to be expected from a liar like you (ya should be familiar with that phrase).
     
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    Whats your point
     
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    So according to you, dead civilians is bad but only if theyre white right?
     
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    You singled out Blair. Why?
     

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