The world is relatively stupid and does not do enough thinking.

Knowing knowledge or being able to do MENSA does not necessarily mean a person is clever or smart. A wise man knows nothing , will always know nothing because they always have an open mind that is empty at the start of any thought.

 

No, you're doing fine with the anecdote. What I'm wondering is how you avoid, for instance, characterizing your choice to eat food - without first testing it for contamination - as an example of employing faith in your life?

Faith doesn't have to be metaphysical to be faith. Faith is real, and yet you claim to live without need of it.

How?

 

I know these things. Those are not characterizations I'm making.

 

I am not sure if this will answer you or not, I make rational predictions, I avoid things, i.e I do not travel on aeroplanes.

Food wise, I cut the odds down, I will not eat an egg unless it is fresh, I will not an eat an egg unless it is thoroughly cooked, If I observe pink in my beef that is simply not cooked and a danger to me.

My faith my food is good to eat is based on the logic I put into thinking about the food. I have faith in my decisions.

 

What? You have FAITH in your decisions?

But wasn't this you a bit ago?

 

I never said they were, I was joining in the conversation and just adding a point which I deem valued.

 

Faith -
noun

1. 1.
   complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

I was referring to faith in this format. My answer before was based on the below format.

2.
strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

You are seemingly reading without ambiguity.

 

That's all well and good,,, but you made no distinction prior. It is why I asking the question. Everyone utilizes faith in their lives; no life is lived strictly fact-based.

That's the point I was trying to make with you.

As for an acceptance or denial of a higher power, would you accept a mathematical argument for the odds of existence being strictly accidental?

 

Europe is far more secular than America.
You claim the world is stupid - it is not uniformly stupid.
I am an atheist, but find your premise silly. Most of those professing religion the loudest are the biggest hypocrites.
I will say I voted for Gerald Ford over Jimmy Carter because I felt Jimmy Carter was too religious - genuinely religious - but I pictured a scenario where they'd come in and say, "Mr. President, there are enemy missiles coming in toward the US" - and Jimmy would say, "Let's pray" - well, we'd be pretty well screwed. Bad example because we'd be screwed anyway, but Jimmy was not a great president because he trusted people and took them at their word and always wanted to pray.
Except for Carter, I cannot think of a president who I felt was too religious (genuinely religious, not phony like Pompous Pence).

 

I would accept a mathematical argument existence is accidental if there is a solid foundation of logic to go with the maths.

 

I have not really added a proper premise to prove the world is stupid but there is several examples I could use.

Why do you find my claim the world is stupid is silly ?

Ok, let us look at an example of the worlds stupidity, animals that become pets are better housed , better fed, better treated than a homeless human being. Any government with a bit of ability in the thinking department would never let this happen, it is almost insane let alone stupid.

 

If you had to declare the odds of our existence as 'accidental', what percentage of its statistical likelihood would satisfy you that our existence is, indeed, accidental?

 

I disagree. Man will still find something to fight over. We are by nature warlike.

 

What's phony about Pence's display of religious belief?

 

Your premise, as I understood it, is that the world is stupid because of religion - I didn't challenge that there is illogic (stupidity) I challenge that the stupidity is due to religion.

 

P=1

There is no uncertainty in the truth. A small lie is a big lie.

 

Well yes religion is stupid, but in general all of mankind is relatively stupid. Our interpretation of most of things, ''sucks''.

 

He LIES.
He has zero compassion for the non-rich - Christ was for the poor.
He is just like a televangelist, bilking good people.

 

These are your opinions. I see no evidence that they have any basis in reality.

 

You can't know the odds. Existence and even life could be inevitable.

 

Yes I'll deny it. I never changed my characterization of IQ. "Equality" posted in his OP "The world was careless with the truth from the moment mankind walked the earth and had the ability to think. Even today , the world still fails in the ability to think, I accuse the world and all that run the world of being relatively ''stupid''. His post was a search for an understanding of his observation of the world as being populated by stupid people. So I mentioned a fact about IQ for what it was worth. And the rest is a history of you twisting everything like a crazy person.

Well that's because it was.

See? There you go again, twisting what was said to provide yourself an opportunity to attack me. Or is it really a deep, repeating problem of your own psychology that we're seeing?

You seem obsessed with IQ. And you seem to have jumped on my one passing mention of it to create an opportunity for you to dwell on it and obsess over it.

Yes, based on your repeated, willing confusion of sentences, statements, words, and intentions.

Ah! There it is! You are insecure in your intelligence and want confirmation that it's superior! Your moniker is a dead give-away.

You don't and cannot know my level of intelligence, and you don't know that I am not interested in yours. Yet you want to compare tools like it is intrinsic to your own personal worth. It looks like you are struggling with something I'm not qualified to help you with. And so I'm done serving as your ego exercise object.

 

Actually, we do know the odds of certain events taking place. Here's a snippet of the argument.

 

We know the odds of certain events. I already know the arguments.

Life could be inevitable. It might be built into nature. As for existence, there could be an infinity of universes boiling up out of the quantum foam, guaranteeing that every possible variation on existence will occur over and over again.

Life might have been seeded by bacteria produced in another galaxy. It might be an inevitable consequence of billions upon billions of chemical reactions every day.

 

The problem is if we are objective, accidental placement of the Earth or precise placement of the Earth is an ambiguous problem . It could be either.

 

It's not crazy to conclude that you attempt to use IQ as a bludgeon. You confirm my suspicion by revealing (allegedly) that you are a member of MENSA.

Except that I'm providing solid evidence that it was no accident.

You lobbed the attack. You attempted to elevate yourself by impugning the intelligence of others.

How could I possibly be 'obsessed' with it when I simply responded to your mention of it?

Those are your characterizations, and only your characterizations. It is just another form of insult.

Ah. That's why you mentioned that you're MENSA. Because I'm insecure.

My moniker is nothing of the sort. It is my nickname, and I've had it for years, as given to me by my youngest daughter (as I've already posted).

What you are, is arrogant and condescending.