They fought, killed and died.

Smarter men than you decided not to include a 'loyalty oath' as a precondition of citizenship or the right to vote. Matter of fact they did not demand any proof of 'loyalty'. They just wanted to you be a certain age, be born here or naturalized (they alone got the oath), and a certain melanin level, gender etc. As we grew up as a people, we dispensed with the latter two.

 

It was damn inconvenient to winter at Valley Forge. People can damn well show up in person, show ID, and wait in line a bit to cast their vote -- except active military who can't do that in most cases.

 

They make themselves what they are. When your objective is to sink your own team- you don't belong on the team. You have chosen that path; the loss of your right to claim the benefits of being on it are surrendered morally, if not legally.

 

Which is un-American? Yes or no

 

Yup - just screw any voter who has to work out of town that day, or any elderly who have a tough time traveling, or anyone in hospitals undergoing cancer treatment ... they aren't REAL Americans anyway ...

WTF, Dude.

 

One could say that because a person buy a loaf of bread and the farmer had benefited from crop insurance that his crop was linked to federal support and therefore everybody's property and you shouldn't have to pay for bread made from it. People on the left come up with outrageous arguments all the time, doesn't mean they have any relevance to reality. The fact the bread at your grocers was transported on a public hiway makes it some sort of community property?? It fits with the left's illusion that people too are therefore community property.... and it's just to take what they have if you want some of it. Incredible distortion of common sense and fundamental justice, not to mention of the Constitution.

The only people who want to find reason why others owe them are those unwilling to do for themselves. We have enough conflicts in life without such people- who are indeed parasitic.

 

It's true- We demand far too little of citizens. The strong, the industrious, the patriots- have always paid the price to keep those less willing to pay their own way provided for. What they get in return for that sure isn't gratitude- it's complaint that there isn't enough free stuff.....

JFK's famous words:

"Ask not what your country can do for you- Ask what you can do for your country".

That kind of defines the quality of a citizens support of his country.

 

Which is a silly concept unless you build your own roads to get your product to market, create your own water districts to
water the grain, and make your own fertilizer ... no matter how much you claim differently, we all benefit from a collective
of workers and to claim otherwise just proves an unexamined life.

I'm not claiming that everyone OWNS the fruits of your labor, just pointing out that YOU get advantages from OTHER peoples taxes as well as your own labor. It's a symbiosis. Not a parasitic existence. The bread you sell might just be to a mother using SNAP money.

 

And as a matter of irrefutable legal fact and not opinion, in the U.S., the above is a glaring, honking, laughable, fallacious falsehood. Not surprised.

Peddle "you didn't build that" horseshit somewhere else.

 

I didn't say that you didn't build it, I said that you had help getting the material to build it, and normal people get that.
And normally once you build it, you need someone else to buy it, and that someone just might be the government or someone who got their money from the government. That is a simple fact of life.

 

These types of claims fall flat when you consider that the taxpayers DID build their own roads, DID build their own water districts, etc, etc. See, the taxpayers came together, pooled their money, and had all of that built. They all paid their fair share, and many paid way more than their fair share.

So sure, we all benefit from "collective" infrastructure, but the average taxpayer paid his fair share of it. I helped pay for the ports. I helped pay for the water district. Yes, a bunch of us got together and had that stuff built. It belongs to us.

The problem is, we have a growing proportion of the populace who feel they are owed all of the above, and even more, and that they shouldn't have to pay for it like the rest of us do.

Anyway, throwing the "collective" into the faces of the taxpayer is asinine because WE are the ones that paid for the "collective".

 

Spare the rationalization in print. You are out of your depth, so maybe go back to derailing every thread on the board with Trump-hate spam.

 

But they get the advantages from my labor too. In that context it is symbiotic. Until you come across the person who thinks that concept does not require balance- that the system or society owes you, regardless of your contribution. That IS NOT symbiosis.

When we trade contributions for mutual benefit, we are doing business; exchanging ham for eggs so we can both have a balanced breakfast. When one side wants laws of entitlement without contribution, the objective is to legalize theft. Not the same thing by any means. And it's not a matter of being willing to give good people in need a hand-up, our society has always been willing to do that. That again is not the same as a hand-out, where the recipient is using it for a continuing support system in lieu of self-reliance.

 

you aren't especially good at quoting the post you quote with any legitimate or credible purpose, are you, at lest in this thread.

 

Why? 90% of that poster's posts here are off-topic derails. Not going to waste my time with the other 10% other than to deride them and point out the obvious fallacies. Don't like that? Tough.

 

He/she seems to be irrationally upset over someone not liking Trump.

 

I am a Vietnam era vet. I make the distinction of saying era, since I was never in country. Altho my squadron flew a regular route with people and supplies thru there. My squadron flew most of the first "advisors" over there.

Yes I served, in fact I volunteered. And I also saw the cowardly left wingers run off to Canada. Then the second worse president ever, Carter let them back in the country with no penalties what so ever.

However they will have to live a lifetime knowing they were COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You are the one peddling horse pucks. Did McDonalds build the road that its Trucks need to get food shipped in ? - or did someone else pay for those roads ?

 

And yet you support a man for President who made no effort to serve his country during the same time period ... sad, dude. Just sad.
There were two Democrats in the race for President who served - one for over 20 years. How seriously are we to take your rants when your hypocrisy
is so evident.

 

To a large extent, huge swaths of the public free-rides on infrastructure such as roads that are paid for disproportionately by large business taxpayers, high income property owning individual taxpayers and the taxes of employees of those groups. That is a fact, and not going to bother explaining further because neither you nor the other placard wavers around here are EVER going to substantiate your arguments in any meaningful ways. The "you didn't build that" canard or its variations is bunk and has always been bunk.

Any other questions about how the world actually works versus what BS a union newsletter or some other gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex propaganda blog told you dishonestly? I'll be here all week.

 

Answer the Question - did McDonalds pay for that road - or did someone else. Whether it is from my pocket or some other businesses pocket - is not the question.

Only a idiot does not realize that "McDonald's" didn't pay for it.

You can't seem to answer the simple question above - so why would I ask you something more complicated ?

 

Why would I answer -any- question in a straightforward way for you? I've read your posts, way too many of them over the years, and don't recall getting ANY direct answer or even rational adult response from you EVER, just crapola like the above, same old same old.

But OK, the question was ALREADY ANSWERED. Whether you understood the answer is not my problem.

 

yes, the Trump admin is pushing things past where any thought a President would, and Conservatives for the most part are silent

many are getting restless with the Trump lockdown recommendations

"Trump Extends Social Distancing to April 30 as COVID-19 Cases Surge"

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...istancing-to-april-30-as-covid-19-cases-surge

Time to vote Trump out in November 2020

 

conservatives had no problem cashing their Trump socialism checks

 

The above post is what is commonly referred to as a dodge. Congrats