They Found Weapons of Mass Destruction In Iraq

I don't consider Iran's leadership as rational actors. That's a personal opinion. I've no idea what the intelligence assessments on this are.

 

It's not hard to assess Iranian irrationality.

1. It has been an exporter of terrorism from its inception. Its creation, Hezbollah, does its work abroad by proxy.

2. The Iranian govt itself operates by terror within its own borders. Public executions and torture keep the population down.

3. After the fall of the Shah, Ayatollah Khomeni had thousands of political prisoners executed (whose civil rights ex-President Jimmy Carter was concerned about). He killed more people in his 1st year than the shah did in his entire 25 year reign.

4. Khomeni has repeatedly referred to the USA as "the Great Satan".

5. From 1979 to 1989, Khomeni established Iran as a strict Sharia theocracy eager to become a world superpower, and spread Islamic rule.

6. Thousands of Iranian kids were killed (sent to their deaths) clearing minefields during the Iran-Iraq war.

7. Other kids were used as human shields.

8. Still other kids were sent to their deaths wearing suicide bomb vests to run at tanks and blow them up. (this started the suicide bombing practice for Hamas, the PLO, Hezbollah, and Iraq's sectarian terrorist militias, et al)

9. Khomeni enacted and led a campaign to organize resistance groups, that set in motion Muslim terrorism all over the world (it had always existed, but was relatively dormant before this)

10. Khomeni choreographed the Iranian hostage crisis.

11. Iran now refuses to cooperate with the International Atomic Energy Commission and allow inspectors to see what they're doing.

12. The Iranian mullahs have an insane messianic vision of bring back the Mahdi (the 12th imam), who is the Islamic messiah. In this view, the Madhi disappeared centuries ago and can return only after an apocalypse. Iranians think they can bring back the Madhi (I'm not kidding you) by creating a world disaster required to usher in his return, and then Islam will reign supreme in the universe and all people live peacefully in Islamic heaven. In his speech at the UN in 2005, Iran President Ahmadinejad called for the Mahdi with these words >> "O mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace."
The mutually assured destruction so evident during the US-Soviet cold war does not exist with these loons. They are happy to die and find (what they believe) assured paradise for their martyrdom.

This is all about as IRRATIONAL as it gets.

 

Oh,,so our Government was not completely honest with us? Who knew?

Far as I am concerned, he had them, used them, and it would take an idiot to think he ,,,,threw them away...LOL

So yes,,from time to time truth is stretched for what they believe is for the good of the country,,,ask Obama. He does it time and time again.

 

I suppose it's a conspiracy, but the way people use the term seems like such a lame cop-out. I could sound just as exasperated about your opinion that Israel seems to do no wrong. But I don't think I would sound as foolish.

I believe Obama is as guilty as the last ten presidents we had. Probably more.

 

I never made any such claim that Israel seems to do no wrong. I don't know where you got that from. However I'm opposed to Iran nuking Israel. I realize that's a controversial position on this forum, but I thought I would just put it out there.

 

Oh...sorry, then.

And yeah, I'm opposed to that to. But when you look at all that is going on, do you really think the US is concerned about Iran having a nuclear weapon, or they are trying to pressure them into something else? Especially in light of everything else going on in the Middle East...and North Africa.

 

Yes I think the US is concerned about Iran having nuclear weapons. Even this administration. Why, do you see some other agenda?

 

Sorry, late post. Hard to keep track of these...

But, yes, of course. Iran having nuclear weapons only means that it won't be able to be bullied into doing what the people with nuclear weapons wants it to do. They certainly won't fire them at anybody and assure their own destruction. It would simply be a vital asset to actually having some sort of bargain in the world. Nukes in Iran do not scare the US one little bit.

 

I don't have the confidence in the Iranian intentions that you do.

 

So you think a state that is actually trying to become a power in the world would get a nuclear weapon and fire it, plunging it into war?

 

I think I've already stated in this thread that I don't regard the Iranian leadership as "rational actors" I could be wrong about that. In fact, I'd better be wrong or they will plunge the world into war, but trying to ascribe Western motivations to the Iranians has not been a successful foreign policy tack thus far.

 

What do you mean by western motivations?

 

I've noticed from posters here and foreign policy talking heads that when they try to ascribe motivations to non Western political leadership, they always make assumptions as if the leadership were Western. Not surprisingly, we seem to guess wrong over and over again. It's the idea that everyone wants the same things that "we" do. Maybe not. You don't think the Iranians would ever use their nuclear weapons and only want them as a deterrent because "we" have used them as a deterrent. If the Iranian leadership were French, German, or Swiss, I think we could make that assumption. However the Iranian leadership is Iranian. The same leadership that thought it was in Iranian national interest to blow up a Jewish Retirement Home in Argentina is the same one that's busy acquiring nuclear weapons.

I do hope you're right of course. But looking at all of the other decisions that the Iranian leadership has made over the past 30 or so years I'm not seeing it.

 

Hmmm. Westerner's are different than...other people...including China and India, I suppose...in that while we Westerners...and China and India...use our nuclear weapons as a deterrent, they would use them to attack...because...they are culturally...racially.... and geographically...ugh, I give up.

 

And the first chapter to the Logic 101 class is titled; How to gather accurate information before you decide to go to war and lose 4500 men and women for nothing, because you "think" someone somewhere has something they shouldn't have.

 

For all the clammering about multiculturalism from the left, it seems they are the biggest Western imperalists when it comes to culture. They can't seem to consider that other cultures may have different priorities from say, a Cambridge or Cornell English professor. You probably think that they use religion as their opiate to the masses but don't really believe in it themselves. Try to look outside your limited cultural blinders.

 

But, Lil Mike, the only country that has used WMD's against a civilian population is the United States. No other country has done so. What does this say about your outlook of the Western mindset?

And I'm not "from the left". There's more to the world than left and right. You remove your blinders.

 

As I've already said, I hope you're right, because Iran will acquire nuclear weapons. So I hope they are the mature, peaceful nuclear state you imagine they will be.

 

Well, I only go so far as to say they won't use their nukes against anyone, and that much to prevent a needless and wasteful incursion into the territory. Aside from that, Iran is what it is.

 

Only delusionals of the far right imagine that Iran is an enemy of America. On the contrary, it is those delusionals who are the enemy.

 

Chafe, a thread amongst threads designed to obscure relevant threads.
No WMD's, right, Saddam was Mr. Rogers and the CIA blew up the World Trade Center.

 

No, Iran is most certainly an enemy, if not an extremely irritated co-player in the world politic. They won't launch a war against us, but they will be wary and extremely untrusting.

Oh, I'm sorry, were you not paying attention to the news. No WMD's were found in Iraq.

Second, we are talking about Iran, not Iraq.

Third, I don't think anyone said anything about the CIA blowing up the WTC, but you can blow up your credibility by posting more garbage.

 

It is now 2015 and those WMDs are yet to be found.