This is not just about abortions

Yes, the GOP has slid down the slippery slope. They are in the position that they are selective about individual rights. Some are OK, some are not. They are forced to speak out both sides of their mouth. So it goes when they attempt theocracy.

 

No it's not obviously both, especially with the high probability of artificial womb (AW) technology, if not within our generation, then within the next. With that, hot on it's heels will be the effort to make a live transfer of an offspring from the live womb to the AW. So that will then raise the question of whether that transfer is an abortion or not, pinning the issue on whether the termination of the offspring is a necessary component of the concept of an abortion.

You and I are pretty much in the same camp with this. Now personally I hold that a woman does not have a right to an abortion per se, but a right to a procedure that will end her pregnancy with the least physical trauma to her body. IOW, as long as the pregnancy ends, the disposition of the offspring is not something within her rights. Right now, there isn't a choice. Our current abortion methods are the least bodily traumatic available. Doesn't mean it will stay that way.

 

I think losing control over my own body is far more important than any 'threat' of trans athletes.

 

So we can mark you down as one of those women who advocates sacrificing the rights of female athletes to the woke ideology.

 

More like the rights to control her own body is more important than anything sports. If you (generalized) are putting sports over a woman's control over her own body, then your priorities are skewed.

 

Of course you can have both, but of the two, bodily autonomy will always trump something as trivial as sports. Besides sports is the easy fix. There is just no men in sports willing to do it.

You do realize that Thomas' performance has dropped since she transitioned, and not only was the record that she broke, broken shortly thereafter by a cis woman, it was broken by a larger margin that Thomas broke it originally. You might want to try a better example than Thomas.

 

If you must mark me down as anything, please make it a human who recognizes ALL people in a society. And its important that we find ways to ensure ALL people are included in our plans as we move forward. The rights of every law abiding citizen is equal to other law abiding citizens. And I don't know the solution for trans women in female athletics, but that doesn't mean there can't be one that recognizes the rights of both women and trans women. I don't simply stick my fingers in my ears and scream out la la la so I don't hear the views of others - I want to be part of a solution...not a trampling of rights.

 

Reasonable. Viability has been the “progressive” position with exception to medical necessity. Our best science should determine the former and the medical profession the latter. We don’t need politicians—the state—or interest groups mucking around with either.

Oddly enough I still believe if men were held responsible or if you will, the seed was legally locked into financial responsibility for mother and child we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Essentially pregnancy was the sole responsibility of men. Effectively putting the state in the bedroom.

 

A Republican response.

 

Republicans have already lost key elections since the conservative judges appointed by Trump nullified Roe vs. Wade. DeSantis may win the Republican primary because the leading Republican is in serious trouble with the law, but he erased any chance may have had in the general election because of his six-week abortion ban.

Republicans may have deeply felt religious views -- views they wish to impose on others -- because they have chosen a losing issue. That is why Republican leaders do not wish to discuss abortion even though every Republican-run state has harsh restrictions on abortions.

An important issue in all of this is, if Republicans win this one, the FDA -- its scientists and its doctors -- is effectively terminated. The essential drugs Americans use will be subject to the whims of 870 federal judges.

 

Huh!

 

I was responding to Hamilton. But do you have a position on it, or has it never really crossed your mind before.

 

the problem for republicans in power, is that even most republican voters are pro-choice

 

All so easily avoided by using a condom, an IUD, a diaphragm, or the good old birth control pill.

 

Too bad some of our "pro life" friends out there want to ban these things also, especially the pill.

 

If you might have noticed, I was referring to events in the late 1920s.

 

I don't see that at all. No one wants to make an accidental baby.

 

And that has relevance in 2023.... how?

 

NO one is obligated to use birth control.

 

True, and Democrats are just as inconsistent about individual rights as Republicans. In this respect both parties suck.

The only party that seems to be consistent about this is the completely dysfunctional and inept Libertarian Party, which should be focused like a laser on this but it isn't.

 

Ironic to see those supporting more government power opposing overreach. You are certainly right to criticize reps, but if you are a democrat, you are not pointing with clean hands.

 

True. But we should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I am not in favor of trans athletes competing against women. There should be a separate category for them out of basic fairness to woman athletes who train hard and deserve a chance for fair competition.

 

This report is about state control of pregnant women's health based upon Republican religious beliefs, and their attempt to defrock the FDA's vital scientific research and its responsibility to provide life-saving medicine to Americans.

Any attempt to change the subject will considered agreement with what I and others are saying. My political persuasion is not important. What I say is.

You two sound like Republicans. I appreciate your agreement with my reports.

It would appear that the only remarks Republicans can muster in defense of their party's transgressions is to try to change the subject. When it comes to their party's activities, the forum's Republicans have difficulty staying on topic.

 

Repubs aren't doing any of that.

 

I am not a Republican. I oppose abuse of power and overreach from both parties. Democrats are calling the kettle black in this case.

In the end, Im not sure who I distrust more; government or the FDA!