This is pathetic...

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  1. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is this part of Obama's "Jobs Plan"?

    Labor Dept. Signs 'Partnerships' with Foreign Gov’s to Protect Illegal Workers in U.S.

    (CNSNews.com) - U.S. Labor Secretary Hilda Solis today signed "partnership" agreements with ambassadors from a group of Latin American nations aiming to protect what she described as the labor rights of both legal and illegal migrants working in the United States.

    During the signing ceremony hosted at Labor Department headquarters in Washington D.C., Solis said the agreements are aimed at educating migrant workers, regardless of how they got here, about their rights under U.S. law and to help prevent them from being abused in the workplace, either through wages, loss of job, or deportation.

    When asked by CNSNews.com, she made clear the agreements aim at protecting both documented and undocmented workers inside the United States.

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  2. Kranes56

    Kranes56 Banned

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    Yeah, screw you people, trying to teach those fancy things like civil rights to people... who... already... have.... them...

    I'm sorry, what is your probelm with this?
     
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    This is all in obamas plan. He put Hilda Solis in charge of the labor department,so when his back door amnesty was put into place Hilda Solis a Latino would look good for Latinos.
     
  4. Third Mexican Empire

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    I'm sorry, is this guy actually mad that the Government is trying to enforce people's rights?
     
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    Yeah something ain't it.These ingrates come to the US illegally then the government has to make new laws rather than enforcing the laws on the books.But just shows how Mexicans and Liberals think.
     
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    Kranes56 Banned

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    You do realize that everybody has rights?
     
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    Yes . But lets be very clear here.You use the word everybody. But NOT everybody has the same rights as US citizens. This is where the Mexicans and Liberals start to manipulate them.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't believe you agree with this.

    Illegals have no labor rights. They have the right to a one-way ticket home.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yep, Obama is well on his way to creating more Democratic voters for next year. He couldn't care less about the American worker.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think that illegals should take up that issue with the government of their home country.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, in their own country - go home.
     
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    Yeah, screw illegal workers. You suffer abuses from your employer, how dare you learn your rights to stop this.
     
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    Even in the US, they have rights.
     
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    Did you read my reply to this in another post?
     
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    You all know that I am very much against immigration.

    However, I strongly believe that illegal workers should have protections against labor exploitation.

    The whole reason the Republicans want illegal immigrants is so that the business owner can threaten to have them all deported if they try to strike.
    Allowing illegals to form unions, and protecting them from being deported because they formed (or tried to form) a labor union, might make employers of illegal immigrants think twice about hiring vulnerable illegal immigrants instead of Americans.

    I think there are ways to both protect illegals from being exploited, while at the same time not giving them any form of "amnesty". These types of policies should be supported by middle class conservatives. The business interests are just manipulating you.

    To read my full views about this, read the thread:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/immigration/202611-proposals-both-sides-could-agree.html
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Illegals have no labor rights...period.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They do not have labor rights. They have the right to due process and deportation.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Businesses that utilize illegals need to be fined, and then those illegals need to be processed and deported. They do not have labor rights to continue illegal employment.
     
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    Yes, I am not disagreeing with this. But middle class conservatives need to open their eyes and see what is going on.

    The truth is that business interests, which are benefitting from illegal immigration, control the Republican Party. However much most American conservatives may wish to kick illegals out of the country, and punish employers that hire illegal labor, the truth is that this is never going to happen, at least not anytime soon. Actually solving the problem will require unprecedented political change.

    So in the meantime, I am not saying that illegals should be given any more legal rights, just that the immigration department should avoid deporting illegals when it strongly suspects that the employer gave the anonymous tip off to punish his employees. The USA should still actively try to deport illegals, but it should just take away the employer's ability to use deportation as a threat.

    Protecting the labor standards of illegals is necessary to protect the labor standards of Americans. If illegals are allowed to work in the USA, but their labor rights are not protected, employers will have a strong incentive to just fire American workers and hire vulnerable illegals instead, which has been happening.

    Even though you want to get rid off illegals, you need to stop being so stubborn, and open your eyes to the fact that you are being manipulated by business interests. Your refusal to be open to giving illegals labor rights only makes it more attractive to those agricultural corporations to hire more illegals!
     
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    The Regional
    Director found that the employees were entitled to the protection of the NLRA despite
    their illegal alien status, 0 and consequently certified the Union on January 17, 1977. 18
    Petitioners received notice of this decision on January 19, 1977

    An administrative law judge (ALA) heard the unfair labor practice complaints issued
    by the NLRB Regional Director against Sure-Tan. 24 The AUJ concluded that the illegal
    aliens were employees within the meaning of the Act, and that the employer had
    constructively discharged them in violation of the Act. 25 The ALJ reasoned that the
    aliens' removal to Mexico made them unavailable for reinstatement or backpay

    The United States Supreme Court in Sure-Tan, Inc. and Sara* Leather Co. v. NLRB 34
    held that illegal alien workers are employees within the meaning of section 2(3) of the
    NLRA," and that section 8(a)(3) of the Act applies to unfair labor practices committed
    against such illegal aliens." The Court stated that when an employer reports the presence
    of an illegal alien employee to the INS in retaliation for the employee's protected union
    activity, and the employer's report then results in the illegal alien's exit from the country,
    there is a discriminatory constructive discharge in violation of section 8(a)(3). 37 While
    acknowledging that the Board is empowered by section 10(c) of the Act to take affirmative
    remedial action for section 8(a)(3) unfair labor practice

    http://lawdigitalcommons.bc.edu/cgi...ir=1#search="National Employment Law Project"
     
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    And who was talking about her about two years ago? Yep, Glenn Beck.
     
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    The very little government we have is ineffective and corrupt. The cartels are now not only distributing illegal drugs, but have come to the conclusion that terrorism is the best way for them to remain in the position they are now. What would you do if everyday there were shootings just outside your front porch, mutilated bodies found on streets, and armed men at every check point? Fix it, or move a few miles North?

    And by the way, every person has the same rights, because they are universal.
     
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    This is just more baloney. You Mexicans riot and protest is the streets all the time in the US. Why not do it in the streets of Mexico ? Answer that ?

    Also , there are places in the US today where shooting happen just outside a front porch. Theres a place in my area that is so crime ridden with illegal aliens,the city won't go near the place without multiple units (police,fire)backing each department up.

    And no thats a myth about every person is the US has the same rights.There are specified rights for US citizens only that do not apply to illegal aliens.
     
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    Actually, many of the people rioting in the streets are Mexican-Americans, or chicanos, who probably never even been to Mexico and speak more English than Spanish. The illegals wouldn't risk getting deported for a dumb riot that is of limited actual effectiveness, if at all. (also, I'd love to see you riot in cities where the cartels, and not the government, run the city)

    Gang violence is bad in the US, but when has the US government needed to deploy actual military units to deal with it? Have you ever seen a mutilated body in front of a school? I'm sorry, but your crime, as bad as it is, does not compare to the terrorism which the cartels have resorted to using.
     
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    Why they move north of course. But they do so in the same way army ants move north devouring everything in their path.

    Illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America have ruined much of California, and one of them knocked out my teeth. I don't have any use for illegal aliens whatsoever.
     
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