This is what has happened to the GOP

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  1. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    This should help you:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769

    Or to save you making an effort.

    During his initial election campaign Trump had proposed a temporary, conditional, and "total and complete" ban on Muslims entering the United States.[21][27][28][29] His proposal was met by opposition by U.S. politicians including Mike Pence and James Mattis.[27][30]

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    Visas by country in 2016, showing number issued by size, and countries selected in the Executive Order in orange, all others in green[5]
    On 12 June, in reference to the Orlando nightclub shooting that occurred on the same date, Trump used Twitter to renew his call for a Muslim immigration ban.[31][32] On June 13 Trump proposed to suspend immigration from "areas of the world" with a history of terrorism, a change from his previous proposal to suspend Muslim immigration to the U.S; the campaign did not announce the details of the plan at the time, but Jeff Sessions, an advisor to Trump campaign on immigration,[33] said the proposal was a statement of purpose to be supplied with details in subsequent months.[34]

    On 15 July, Pence, who as governor of Indiana attempted to suspend settlement of Syrian refugees to the state but was prevented from doing so by the courts, said that decision was based on the fall 2015 FBI assessment that there is risk associated with bringing in refugees. Pence cited the infiltration of Iraqi refugees in Bowling Green Kentucky who were arrested in 2011 for attempting to provide weapons to ISIS and Obama's suspension of the Iraqi refugee program in response as precedent for a U.S. President's "temporarily suspend[ing] immigration from countries where terrorist influence and impact represents a threat to the United States".[35][36]

    On 17 July, Trump (with Pence) participated in an interview on 60 Minutes that sought to clarify whether Trump's position on a Muslim ban had changed; when asked whether he had changed position on the Muslim ban, he said: "—no, I—Call it whatever you want. We'll call it territories, OK?"[37] Trump's response would later be interpreted by Judge Brinkema of the Eastern District of Virginia as acknowledging "the conceptual link between a Muslim ban and the [Executive Order]" in her ruling finding the executive order likely violates the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution.[38][39]
     
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  2. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    So it only targeted the top countries of the world with the largest number of Muslims? Why did Obama use the same countries to place visa restrictions on?
     
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  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I said ALMOST, except for those 19 I think just one terrorist has been a foreigner since then. It could be more but not many.
    Riigghhtt , we'll have to just SUSPEND your freedoms, just for a little while during the emergency, you understand

    I dunno, why don't you ask him. Last I recall Obama's not President any more, (though all we sane people PROFOUNDLY wish different)
     
  4. CourtJester

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    Sorry you are comparing Trump's last plan to Obsma's not his entire effort including his attempted Muslim ban. Once Trump realized the courts wouldn't let him use a religious test he finally got smart and did what Obama did. Of course he only got there after endless stupidities.
     
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    Are you under the impression that the first ban used a different list of countries?
     
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    What emergency?

    I don't need to because I know why! Obama didn't place visa waiver restrictions on KSA because it wasn't identified by The Department of Homeland Security as being a hotspot for anti-American terrorists. The other countries however, WERE, and these are the countries that Trump used for the travel ban. Your point that "almost ALL of our muslim terrorists were American CITIZENS" is totally irrelevant as it only looks at what has happened in the past.
     
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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Exactly my point, there never is an emergency but the dictators make them

    Why didn't Trump just continue Obama's policy? What had changed?
     
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    I would consider the rise in attacks against the West to be an emergency. Sure they've mostly been in Europe these past few years, but what is stopping the US being the next big target for multiple attacks? And what is stopping them being carried out by people from terrorist hot beds such as the countries in Obama's and Trump's list?

    What had changed? The President! And Trump didn't continue with Obama's policy because he didn't think it was good enough!
     
  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    What is stopping an asteroid from smashing into us or the Yellowstone Volcano from blowing? Oh no! terrible things may happen therefore we have to abrogate everyone's rights, It's just temporary you know.

    But why didn't he think it was good enough since we'd had no terrorist attacks from those countries? Why didn't he redouble his efforts to stop domestic terrorists instead?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Hey, that sounds just like something I said a while back.
    Anyways, you guys should come vote in this Ranked poll on what we should do on immigration.
    Ranked Vote: How To Enact Immigration Reform? (Consolidated)

    -Meta
     
  13. chris155au

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    Nothing. Can something be done about preventing these? What's your point exactly?

    What "rights?"

    Because he saw the terrorist activity coming out of the countries in the list. Again, it is IRRELEVANT that you've had no attacks by terrorists from those countries as that only looks at what has happened in the past!

    What "efforts" are you referring to that he should've "redoubled?"
     
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  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    My point is you can easily paralyze yourself trying to guard against everything that may happen

    All rights, yours and mine

    So, we should ignore history as it is "irrelevant", and base our activity entirely on baseless speculation about what may happen in the future?

    Whatever efforts he was making at preventing domestic terrorism,
     
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    LOL : Love your definition of MAGA
     
  17. chris155au

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    Oh sure, absolutely that is a risk.

    How are "all rights" of yours and mine affected by the travel ban?

    Oh no, not on "baseless speculation!" On CREDIBLE INTELLIGENCE! Who said anything about baseless speculation?
     
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  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    And where does this Credible Intelligence come from other than past activity?
     
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    What happened to the GOP was the 'people' were able to field a candidate in the primary instead of the 'Party' and hopefully the winners of the upcoming mid-terms will recognize that and begin to represent their constituents going forward.
     
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    Have you HEARD of the Central Intelligence Agency?
     
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    I'll take that as a NO then @Aleksander Ulyanov .
     
  22. The Centrist

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    The GOP has been taken over by Trumpery. Those republicans and conservatives who are NeverTrumpers are allowing the President to define the party narrative.
     
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    You weren't thinking straight when you asked this were you?
     
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    Yeah, and that whole embassy relocation... that REALLY showed Trump's anti Jewish side!
     

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