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  1. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As of now President Trump has given us a fantastic economy. Low unemployment for all including minorities. Fewer people on welfare and food stamps. Mfg coming back to the country. Stock market going up like a rocket. Great consumer confidence. Lower taxes and fewer regulations. And much more.

    So the question is-------------------what can the democrats give us we dont already have with president Trump?
     
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    Your dignity.
     
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    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    Our dignity comes from holding down a job and getting off food stamps. The dems can't give us our dignity because they have no dignity themselves.
     
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    OldGuy?wise Active Member Past Donor

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    I think that the Dems are more likely to give us "quality of life". "Quality of life" includes health care, education, opportunity and security.

    The richest country on earth has about the poorest health care, mediocre education, 25% of people facing bankruptcy in retirement, rising suicide rate, significant and rising wealth disparity, etc. I think that we can do better. We definitely can do better, but greed keeps getting in the way. We don't have to do a bunch of give-aways. If we focus on security, health and OPPORTUNITY, we will have a healthier, happier, more competitive and more successful country. Every child should have total opportunity and no excuse for failure. The Dems are a hell of a lot more likely to give us quality of life.
     
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    Yeah right nothing says dignity like begging on your knees for a government hand out...
     
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    You have got to be kidding. Please don't tell me you believe your health care, education, opportunity and security can only come from a democrat. Or any politician. Our health care is provided by our doctors and hospitals. We have some of the finest. And I obtained my own medical insurance so I'm good. No politician needed. I got 12 years of schooling and several schools in the military so I was educated enough to make a living. All my opportunities were made by myself by constantly looking for higher paying jobs in my field. No politician needed. For security I want a strong military and I want to be able to bare arms. The conservatives politicians do like a strong military. Trump is providing a strong economy and jobs aplenty. That means many opportunities for all. But some will fail due to poor decisions.
     
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    Simple answer: Other peoples stuff....
     
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    Right now it's comedy gold in the Senate.
     
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    Not the establishment DP. You would have to get rid of the Clinton party and replace it with the party of fdr.

    The growth in income disparity and the losing of our middle class and little economic security took both parties

    In this area there is only one party but it has two heads. A 2 headed beast .
     
  10. Just A Man

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    Higher taxes, government controlled health care, gun control, taxpayer funded abortions, open borders, bad trade deals, companies moving overseas, shutting down coal, oil, and natural gas production, more people on food stamps, more unemployment, smaller military, more homeless, higher interest rates, more debt, and probably government funded transgender operations.
     
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    Name the manufacturers coming back to the USA???I do not see any as manufacturing has been declining in recent months.The number of homeless grows daily.
     
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    Name one that is leaving under Trump. Obama (D) said he couldn't stop them. Yes, homeless is growing in the cities ruled by democrats. Have you checked out the cities in California lately? The most democrat run state in the USA.
     
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    The Democrats have never done anything for anyone but the Democrat Party and in 2016 America finally noticed. Imagine the epiphany they had when they figured out that the game was over and little by little it sank in just how screwed they are.This isn't just about Donald Trump, it's about a country that finally said "enough", we don't believe you anymore and there's nothing you can do that'll change that. America's break up with the Democrat Party is like dumping an abusive spouse. The initial split was difficult, after all this was the party that they believed in even after many let downs and broken promises but they just couldn't hide the bruises anymore. As time went on, everyday the Democrats proved that the country made the right decision and continues to do so and in the most bizarre ways. They've already placed their heads in a noose now all that's left is to impeach Trump and kick away the chair they're standing on
     
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    1) I know damn well better affordable health care, quality education, educational and economic opportunity, and security are not going to come from the Republican Party.

    2) I have been a practicing physician for 44 years. I worked my way through college, med school, the army and specialty training and finished with very little debt. You can not do that now. My son and his wife finished their training $400,000 in debt. College and training that is that expensive definitely decreases opportunity.

    3) The average annual administrative and bookkeeping medical cost is $2500 for each person in the USA. That cost is absurd. That money would provide better medical care for every citizen.

    4) It is good that you have medical insurance, but for a touch of insecurity know this. There is a 1 in 4 chance that you will be bankrupt due to medical expenses during your retirement years.

    5) None of the above described problems happen in the other industrialized nations. Of course, they have much higher taxes. Maybe taxes are not all bad.
     
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    For the sake of argument, I will pretend like this nonsensical claim is 100% true... If Medicare for Seniors creates a 1 in 4 chance "that you will be bankrupt due to medical expenses during your retirement years", then how is the Democrats solution of Medicare for all going to solve this problem?
     
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    Medicare covers 80% of approved medical expenses. (note that is approved medical expenses) It does not cover drug costs. Pharmacy coverage is supplemental commercial insurance and subject to level of approval by the insurance company. A lot of my glaucoma patients are having trouble paying for their glaucoma drops, and I know that some of the new cancer drugs are really expensive. America can do better.
     
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    I am fully aware of what Medicare does and does not cover, but that doesnt address what I asked. I will repeat.....

    For the sake of argument, I will pretend like this nonsensical claim is 100% true... If (as you say) Medicare for Seniors creates a 1 in 4 chance "that you will be bankrupt due to medical expenses during your retirement years", then how is the Democrats solution of Medicare for all going to solve this problem?
     
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    Democrats don't solve problems -- they create laws, rules, red tape, requirements -- anything that gives them more power.
     
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    We have no homeless where I live. Zero. Perhaps the better statement would be that homelessness grows in large cities that are no longer affordable for most people.
     
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    I have not reviewed the exact Democratic proposal (There are a variety of proposals). Presently the annual administrative medical expense is about $2500 per person (about $600-$700 in Canada). If we reduce the expense to $1000 per person, that would "free" up about 500 billion dollars a year to cover the uncovered meds and costs. I think that the Dems also expect to get the drug costs in line with other industrialized countries.
     
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    You have not reviewed the Democrat proposal, yet you are convinced that they have the answer? That isnt analysis. It is nothing more than blind faith. There are not currently any prominent Democrats advocating an entirely government run system, they are only proposing a government run insurance (Medicare for All), and most have specifically stated that it will be very much like our current Medicare. What good is Medicare in addressing your bogus claim that 25% of seniors will declare bankruptcy due to medical bills? My question is rather straight forward. You already have Medicare for seniors, yet you claim that results in 25% of seniors declaring bankruptcy (someone has lied to you or you are misunderstanding something that you have read).
     
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    Other developed nation's are the size of one of our states with a third of our population and iron clad control of their borders and damn near everyone of them is facing a demographic disaster with in the next fifteen years because they don't have enough people paying into the system to fund their overly generous pension plans. And almost all of those things of which you complain are the direct result of Democratic picked dropped on us between WWII and 1992 when Republicans finally took back the house.
     
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    Good RX. And the admin cost is a product of runaway bureaucracy brought to you by the Democratic Party's instinctive desire to try to micromanage life and idiot proof the known universe
     
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    In the good old days Medicare was run by the Federal government and the overhead was about 12%. Then Medicare was farmed out to the insurance companies by the Republican dominated congress. The overhead now is over 30% thanks to profits, advertising, and more numerous and complicated insurance programs.
    You are flat out wrong. The administrative cost is not due to excessive government oversight. It is due to greed in the private sector. Private industry may generally be more efficient, but somebody or something needs to control the greed.
     
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    How can that be, when they have none?
     

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